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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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this is Fade to Black it's your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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I need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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Jimmy judge on The Game Changer Network

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uh yeah man how you doing today is

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Richard Dolan let's do this man

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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you know what's going on tonight very

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special guest Richard Dolan is back

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got a lot of things that we are going to

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be discussing tonight and of course

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with open lines all night long

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night and about uh 1 45 a.m the historic

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anticipation the Milestone event kicked

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off a journey that will send an uncrewed

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spacecraft's spectacular first views of

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nine million pounds of thrust

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UFO task force briefed Canadian military

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officials earlier this year previously

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unreported meeting that was revealed

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of unidentified aerial phenomena or uaps

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check this out

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twitters

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new owner is a guy named Elon Musk

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extremely hardcore work

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the billionaire and obtained by Fade to

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let's get this show cracking on this

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date can you imagine if you got that

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email from your boss

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this show cracking on this day in

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history 1945

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it went down

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Operation Paperclip that's right

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Operation Paperclip kicks off

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as the United States ships 88 German

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scientists to America to assist in the

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all right tonight we welcome very

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we're going to be talking about a lot of

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going to focus on the much delayed UFO

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and tomorrow night is another fader

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night with open lines all night long all

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so today uh I'm going to hit this River

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so today I was talking to my agent yeah

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I have an agent

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she's been with me for

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um I want to ask you about Egypt and I

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go oh man really and he goes but first

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you sound

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a little nasally and I was like yeah

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dude speaking of Egypt right and it's

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it's so funny because I I am now healthy

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nasally maybe this is my new voice

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maybe maybe the old voices

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is history maybe this is how I'm gonna

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sound

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for the rest of my life

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yeah but it was funny how he he no I was

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like I feel fine

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River moonwellness.com

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all right

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yeah Betty Joe Jacks that's uh yeah see

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is is that I I'm fine

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I don't have a cold I don't have a cold

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hardcore yeah

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no I am fine

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I'm fine okay

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rivermoonwellness.com faded black blend

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Richard Dolan's on the show tonight

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it's always great when he's here

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what I'm about to talk about has nothing

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Richard or me or anybody else really but

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things are starting to heat up again in

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and and I enjoy this and I talk about

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where the Hills and Valleys the Ebbs and

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flows

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of the UFO Community you know and

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you just go back historically you can go

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back go back 50 years Go Back 40 years

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go back 30 years

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and and you can see these I mean

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tremendous like whoa moments

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and then you know you get this lull

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something else happens and every time

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where you just start to get a little bit

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complacent

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I'm like wow okay yeah I said but boom

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something happens that day

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right and and we've got that right now

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uh going on and we've had uh especially

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over the last five years but in the last

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like two years and in the last one year

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we've had these Hills and Valleys like

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every week

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every other week where if if you go back

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to

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1995 1994 1995 96. it was like a once a

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year thing it was like once a year mj-12

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documents and then you know wait wait a

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few months and what you know whatever

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the uh uh alien autopsy video came out

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you gotta wait a few more months and

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something else you know Bob Lazar

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whatever but but it it they were they

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seemed like they were bigger but they

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were fewer

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um uh in between

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now

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it's like crazy town all the time and we

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have a lot of speculation that's going

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around right now about the UFO and UAP

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report

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and when you jump into social media and

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also

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uh different news and media outlets

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around the world and and things and

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Community websites and stuff like that

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everybody is speculating

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right everybody seems to have some kind

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of inside information

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and and I I can go all the way back to

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Halloween and before and and look at

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some of the posts Manny this is this is

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what's happening this is what's going on

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it turns out you know obviously nobody

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was right and uh but it's it's hot out

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there right now

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it's hot it's hot

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and uh there's that

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lots of strange sightings that are going

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on around the world

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and uh I posted the video of uh stuff

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going on in my backyard that I think I

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shot it in

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I can't remember now August

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and interesting video and you know of

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course people are going to come out I

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posted it so people could you know

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hopefully figure out what was going on I

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posted the the day the date the time the

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location the direction

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and uh so there's that but there are

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sightings that are going on right now

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all around the world and and Pilots not

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only here in the United States but uh

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you know things going on in Brazil

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and also uh so we have that part

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and what is it that Pilots are seeing

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and why is it

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that it seems that all of the sudden

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um Pilots are okay I'm talking about

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commercial pilots civilian Pilots

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they're okay talking about this stuff

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now

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right Ben Hansen and his sighting uh

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that was off the coast of California and

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radar and everything else that was tied

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to that

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um Pilots are are speaking up

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and this is all part of it too as well

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and

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couple of very very interesting images

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a couple of uh things out of the United

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Kingdom that have caught my attention a

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couple of things in Mexico as well as

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Brazil

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um and and here in the United States

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these images are pretty stunning I'm

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going to let everybody else

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you know pick those things apart

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um but uh it's all happening at the same

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time

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right and when something catches my

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attention I am so used to

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you know look at oh come on man that's

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that's a car driving through the the

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woods or that you know I'm I'm really

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quick too but uh not to debunk but

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you're gonna see what you want to see

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all right okay so there's that but they

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have caught my attention

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Thanksgiving is right around the corner

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all right

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and

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we have a lot to be thankful for

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right now in the UFO Community we have

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an awful lot to be thankful for it has

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never been like it is right now

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and this show

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this is where I talk about Richard Nolan

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this show is something that I am very

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thankful for it gives me the opportunity

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to explore uh what is going on out there

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only with the best guess like tonight

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Richard Dolan is here

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and and I am able to without the uh

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restrictions of the FCC or a boss

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or an owner or anything like that

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anybody that you know is a rap that that

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can tell me what to do or say

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you know or threat I I don't have that

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so I am able to have freedom of thought

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which goes to my jaw comes out into this

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microphone and goes to a guest and the

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guest also

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is free of those restrictions

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and we are able to do that we are able

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to with with the absolute very best

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guess

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we have a lot to be thankful for

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and now

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I have another Avenue as well at the

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very same time which is into the Vortex

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all right now this is a TV series where

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I am also given the freedom

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to ask the big questions

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the show

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is taped live

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it's not edited

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I don't have just like this show I know

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my guess I know the subjects and I know

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what I'm trying to get to and I am able

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to do that without restriction

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the big questions are important to me

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and as we continue to move forward

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Vortex will be the platform where I do

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00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:20,220
get to press pretty hard in a television

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format reaching out Beyond this audience

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and around the world

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right now think about this during this

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very exciting time

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um as we head into uh we're uh right now

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we're in the middle of season one and

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00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,640
because the taping of the show

447
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:41,760
just finished you're seeing these

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subjects presented in a nearly uh Weekly

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00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,299
Magazine type format where it's coming

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at you in real time and that's how we're

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going to continue with into the Vortex

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and we're doing it at this very critical

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time in ufology and what is going on

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around the world

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and uh so tonight with Richard

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um I have uh and I very rarely do this

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um but uh I I don't have pre-scripted

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00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:16,140
questions I don't do that but I do do

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00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:18,539
bullet points I do words right I'll go

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00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:20,100
pop words down

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00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,500
and and I said to Richard before the

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show I said boom boom boom boom he said

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yes right and that's that's it but we

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are able to do this in real time these

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00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:36,480
are very exciting times now going back

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uh to the pictures of that uh I was

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00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,480
recently sent

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um I decided not to publish them a

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00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,539
couple I was thinking about going uh

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letting loose on Twitter maybe Instagram

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or whatever

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I held back and there's a reason for

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that so before

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anybody says well Jimmy why didn't you

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00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:01,620
can we see these pictures Can we see

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00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,659
well okay some of them are already out

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there

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um but here's the deal

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00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:08,039
about

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um pictures are funky to me

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they catch my attention

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00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:18,840
but I have been bitten by pictures in

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the past

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00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:26,510
this involved John Greenwald actually

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00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,669
and uh I was sent

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and uh from a listener on the show came

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in via email with the very elaborate

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story behind it

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and it involved his friend that was a

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celebrity chef who had just left the

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restaurant that he owns on the East

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Coast somewhere

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like in the New York area

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and uh solve those these this triangle

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in the sky pull over the side of the

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road took the picture with the cell

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phone sent it to my friend my friend or

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the fate or not who sent it to me with

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this the whole story so I write him back

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I'm like so what's going on he just

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gives me this big detailed thing

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and I went uh well and so I wrote up and

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I was getting ready to do a press

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release on this wrote up an article with

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all the details that he gave me with the

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picture

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I turn around I sent the article that I

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had written it was getting ready to post

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on Fade to Black

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on on Jimmy churchradio.com I sent it to

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Greenwald

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and I said here's this image here's the

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stuff behind it I'm waiting for a little

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more information he goes wow that's a

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pretty cool picture yeah it is it is

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it's of the triangle and uh I said okay

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I'll hit you back and then I go back and

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00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:02,580
I'm getting ready to launch it is like

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00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:06,720
uploaded getting ready to publish

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00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:09,779
on jimmychurchradio.com and something

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00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:15,240
made me do a reverse Google image search

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and I did right search the image

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and this was 2015 2014 2015.

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and it pops up

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and I'm looking at the it's the same

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image

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with the story about a family

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00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,039
who took this picture of this triangle

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in a Walmart parking lot in South

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Carolina

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Atlanta Georgia something

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00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:53,220
and I'm reading and I'm like what and

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00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:55,980
then and that was the first thing and

534
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:59,039
I'm looking at the it's the exact

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image

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and and then I clicked oh there's

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00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:04,080
another article and it was like from

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2008.

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another part of the country Wichita

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Kansas

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right whatever

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00:30:17,389 --> 00:30:13,980
man shoots black trying and I was like

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00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:17,399
what same image and then I found it a

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third time and I turn around I think I

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00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:24,889
it's bogus

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00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,440
and then I called uh I I wrote an email

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uh to the person that sent me the image

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and I said hey hey

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uh can I get your friend the celebrity

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00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,799
chef to come on the show

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00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:40,020
and the response the response back in

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the email was

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he's not returning my calls

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00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:47,960
I was like yeah and that's why

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I don't post images if I take the image

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myself that's one thing

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00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:57,720
but anything that is sent to me I do not

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00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:00,419
put it out there I do not hey what do

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00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:03,659
you guys think about this no no I I'm I

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00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,580
just don't get involved I'll let

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00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,559
everybody else post it everybody else

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00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:09,120
can get all the clicks that they want

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00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:11,100
all the comments that they want but I

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00:31:15,470 --> 00:31:13,500
don't I don't get into that anymore I

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00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,480
just don't do it but I'll let you know

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00:31:20,649 --> 00:31:17,820
that I've seen a couple of things that

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are pretty interesting and that's why

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these times right now are so exciting

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for me and I am just thankful I'm

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thankful for this audience I'm thankful

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for guests Like Richard Dolan thankful

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for this show I'm thankful for the new

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TV show into the Vortex I am your host

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Jimmy church this is Fade to Black

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tonight

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Richard bleep and Dolan we are we're

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going to be talking about the much

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delayed UFO UAP report lots of other

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things that are on the table I don't

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want to I don't want to show my cards

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just yet but uh it's going to be a great

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00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:57,539
show so you stay right there this is

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Fade to Black I'm your host Jimmy church

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and I'll be right back after this short

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break with our guest

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Richard bleep and Dolan stay with us

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all right welcome back

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Fade to Black I'm your assuming church

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tonight Richard Dolan is here we're

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going to be talking about

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what is going on well it's just going to

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be a free-form conversation like Richard

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conversation we may discuss the UFA

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ufwap report

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00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:22,440
that has been delayed for over two weeks

676
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,540
of course Richard is one of the world's

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00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:26,400
leading researchers and writers on the

678
00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:28,380
subject of UFOs

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00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:31,320
and he still believes that they

680
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,940
constitute the greatest mystery of our

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00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:35,520
time he does his weekly video podcast

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over on his YouTube channel Richard

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Dolan members on his website and there

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00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:43,920
you go and and he's pretty much featured

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00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,060
in anything that I do and most people

686
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,520
don't know that but Richard is the first

687
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:52,079
phone call that I make when I'm in the

688
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:54,359
middle of a project Richard how you

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00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:56,220
doing my man hey Jimmy thanks for having

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00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,680
me back I always love coming here it's

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00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,720
uh it's it's always the best I mix you

692
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:02,880
know what um I I kind of do I got a

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00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:04,440
little Richard Dolan dance that I do

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00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,880
during the day when you're coming on the

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00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:08,400
show you you were you were pumping me up

696
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:10,020
quite a bit in that last segment I gotta

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00:38:17,410 --> 00:38:12,780
say man you know I'm I'm thankful like

698
00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:17,420
you gotta tone it down about uh 25 there

699
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,700
do I do I sound like a pitch man I heard

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00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:23,220
my name quite a bit am I a hype man I'm

701
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,500
a hype man what's making me nervous yeah

702
00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:28,320
well see in radio we call that you know

703
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,500
and see the thing is is you you've got

704
00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:33,839
to do that the t's right you got a tease

705
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:36,119
you gotta tease is Richard coming on oh

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00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:37,859
he said he said Richard he said Richard

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okay all right do I get coffee is

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Richard coming on now

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so there you go and uh but I'm thankful

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00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:50,460
man uh we're we're in crazy times now um

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00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:52,500
I'm wearing my Led Zeppelin shirt now

712
00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:55,140
we've got a lot to uh talk about

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00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:57,260
but tonight it's going to be a pack show

714
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:00,540
uh but Traditions tradition Richard

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00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:04,740
indeed yeah tradition it's tradition

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00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:06,119
um what was the last song you listened

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00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:07,619
to today

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00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,260
um this is I didn't listen to any songs

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00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:12,480
today however

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00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:14,040
however

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00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:16,980
uh the last song I listened to I played

722
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:19,980
really really loud it was last night

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00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:22,740
and it's because I had I don't often

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00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:24,780
listen to the radio when I drive

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00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:27,180
but I did and I heard Love Shack by The

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00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:30,660
B-52s and I and I realized like how

727
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:32,280
great that song is so I came back home

728
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:35,700
and immediately just cranked it and the

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00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,180
thing that I I remember the B-52s when I

730
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,579
was like 18 you know

731
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:43,680
and it's the female vocalist it's the

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00:39:47,089 --> 00:39:44,700
two of them

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and I I decided I don't think there's

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00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:49,740
any singers quite like those two the

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00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:51,660
harmonies that they hit are very unique

736
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:54,060
uh the sound effects that they create on

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00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:55,440
some of the songs are just hilarious

738
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:58,500
they're like really super talented and

739
00:40:02,270 --> 00:39:59,339
um

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00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:02,280
I think I mean I always liked them in a

741
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:04,200
way back back in the day but

742
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:05,940
I don't think I appreciated just how

743
00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:07,560
absolutely great they are when I heard

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00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:09,480
Love Shack I was just I just tripped out

745
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:11,700
for a little while it transported me

746
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:15,240
back to another time you know they were

747
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:17,460
those two

748
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,599
um were quirky nerdy sexy

749
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:23,760
yeah yeah totally all of it they were

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00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:26,220
great uh on every level

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00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:30,960
and uh great singers and like and

752
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:34,680
totally unique fun and the male singer

753
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,660
too he was he's kind of crazy he wasn't

754
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,640
as good a singer though like the the two

755
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:41,400
women were actually really good singers

756
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:42,839
in my opinion yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

757
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,180
yeah yeah yeah yeah their

758
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:47,700
um their first two albums uh you know

759
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:50,460
the B-52s The B-52s that yeah I mean

760
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:55,619
just I remember it well I used to I had

761
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um

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00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,339
the detachable speakers on it but it had

763
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,000
the auto reverse cassette player right

764
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:08,160
so we'll get to the end and then play

765
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:10,980
the set you know the back side yeah dude

766
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:14,940
and I would that that B-52's uh cassette

767
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:18,060
stayed on Loop for like eight hours I

768
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:21,720
just kept it going and going and going

769
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:25,260
and and I'm a heavy metal guy but their

770
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:29,220
sense of Melody their quirk they they're

771
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:31,980
the scales that they did you know this

772
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,680
you know way way outside of the box and

773
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:36,660
they taught me a lot about they're quite

774
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:38,040
unique yeah so here's here's something

775
00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:38,880
funny

776
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:41,460
so when I was 17 years old the year was

777
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:43,500
1979.

778
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,960
right we still had some bell bottoms

779
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:47,700
hanging around like it was still a crazy

780
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:51,119
time so I I was 17 and I had my fur well

781
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:52,440
actually it wasn't my first job but I

782
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,540
had a job working at a record store we

783
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:56,880
sold record LP vinyl

784
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:58,920
and it was the most fun job in the world

785
00:42:02,210 --> 00:41:59,880
for me

786
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:02,220
you know got my record albums at a

787
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,780
discount like a little bit they were

788
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:05,040
still expensive

789
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:06,240
but

790
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,820
um the cool thing about it was that I

791
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:10,800
was 17 I was like exploring all of this

792
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:12,300
new music

793
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:14,339
and we would be playing all that new

794
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:17,579
music in the store and some of the

795
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:19,740
people who've been working there longer

796
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:21,480
had the whole system down it's like you

797
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:22,920
get all these records in and they would

798
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:25,020
just say oh this one's damaged slice it

799
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:27,000
open and throw it on the turntable and

800
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,500
just crank it for the next you know

801
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:30,480
several hours playing it over and over

802
00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:34,140
and The B-52s were one of the albums we

803
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:36,300
just played in the store I mean the idea

804
00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:37,800
was you're supposed to play the new

805
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,540
music to get people interested but we

806
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,220
just played what we wanted but I

807
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,960
remember hearing Planet Claire that was

808
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:45,359
the first song on their first album what

809
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:48,119
a crazy song it was like you had you had

810
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:50,579
to have been there like like the album

811
00:42:54,410 --> 00:42:53,400
cover even this is yellow no one did

812
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,420
this like

813
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:56,640
basic yellow album with these little cut

814
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:59,099
out figures on the on the on the front

815
00:43:02,829 --> 00:43:01,380
of the band members like it was so it

816
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:02,839
was almost like South Park but like

817
00:43:07,809 --> 00:43:05,460
1979. yeah yeah yeah and playing that

818
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:07,819
player there was a line in Planet Claire

819
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:12,240
that still to this day she drove a

820
00:43:20,569 --> 00:43:16,680
Plymouth Satellite faster than this yeah

821
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:20,579
yeah man I love to be 52. they were just

822
00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:21,960
wonderful so anyway

823
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:22,619
um

824
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,760
of really great songs it's it's funny

825
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:31,200
that you say that

826
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,260
um weird coincidence because uh

827
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:37,440
yesterday uh I was working

828
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:39,960
and I was doing some stuff and in the

829
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,260
background I had uh YouTube running and

830
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,200
it was Rick piedo uh he's a guitar dude

831
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:48,540
right so oh I love him yeah he's great

832
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:50,700
he's great I watch his uh program quite

833
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:52,859
a bit yeah he's he lived in Rochester

834
00:43:57,650 --> 00:43:55,220
yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

835
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:57,660
I'm talking to him now about you know

836
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,400
coming onto faded black so anyway I I

837
00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:01,980
had him on in the background and then

838
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:03,780
next up

839
00:44:08,569 --> 00:44:06,900
um one of his latest videos was uh the

840
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:08,579
greatest Van Halen song of all time

841
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:10,140
right so of course I'm gonna watch that

842
00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:14,099
and uh but then guess what popped up

843
00:44:23,569 --> 00:44:18,440
what the B-52s on Saturday Night Live

844
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:23,579
like from 1980 right right and dude I

845
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:27,180
think they played Planet Claire and Rock

846
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:29,640
Lobster back in those days

847
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:32,720
yeah B-52s all right

848
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,400
so I guess the last thing I listened to

849
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,680
was on The B-52s as well it's kind of

850
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:39,420
strange

851
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,359
um all right let's uh let's get to work

852
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:45,240
yeah let's get to work you know uh we we

853
00:44:50,569 --> 00:44:48,420
have to there's so much

854
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:50,579
um uh to the thing you want to talk

855
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,220
about bores me to tears I'm just gonna

856
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,740
say the delayed release of the UAP

857
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,420
report well you know you know why it

858
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:59,640
bores you to tears because everybody's

859
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:01,859
been yakking about it now for three

860
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:06,000
weeks and anticipation and I I've I've

861
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:07,980
I'm just like

862
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:10,260
you know I'm like you right I don't have

863
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:11,460
a lot of expectation for it either

864
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,280
though uh okay why not

865
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:16,500
well I mean they're certainly they're

866
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:19,260
building up a whole lot of nothing out

867
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:21,540
of this so I'm hearing statements like

868
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:23,099
well we don't have any reason to think

869
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:24,900
that there's extra trash Trails behind

870
00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:27,660
any of these UAP heard that one a few

871
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:29,819
times and indeed that's that's been the

872
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:32,760
pentagon's whole line all this while we

873
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:34,380
don't think that there's anything you

874
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,859
know having to do with uh eating of

875
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,140
course you know we're at a point in our

876
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,240
society where we just we don't expect

877
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:44,400
truth out of the Pentagon and and like

878
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,900
we just take it for granted that they're

879
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,119
not truthful to this that they're opaque

880
00:45:53,050 --> 00:45:49,920
Once Upon a Time

881
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:53,060
uh American citizens would have been

882
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:56,040
really really angry at that type of like

883
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,720
they would never have accepted that from

884
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,040
their government but we accept it all

885
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:01,920
the time so we don't expect truth and we

886
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:04,140
expect them to lie and we you know

887
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:05,940
listen to them during the the UAP

888
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:09,660
hearing last May May and

889
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:11,460
um

890
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,319
you know they're they're just all about

891
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,839
public relations that's what they are so

892
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,520
I don't I don't expect truth out of the

893
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:19,380
Pentagon I don't expect I don't expect

894
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:21,060
decency and goodness out of their

895
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:22,859
policies anywhere in the world and I

896
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:25,140
certainly do not expect decency and

897
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,579
Truth on their UFO UAP policies the um

898
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,680
you did you did a post

899
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:34,560
um that caught my eye uh a few days ago

900
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:36,180
I'm assuming it was it was on your

901
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:37,740
Twitter feed I'm assuming you did the

902
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,819
post

903
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:39,920
um

904
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:42,900
he he

905
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:47,520
um uh I oversee my Twitter and I um

906
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:48,900
I

907
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:55,619
know what you're talking about because

908
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,140
I'm kind of in the same boat

909
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:00,960
and uh once in a while I do got a whack

910
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:03,480
a pee pee though what are you doing take

911
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:07,619
that down uh but anyway there was a post

912
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:11,400
um uh on your Twitter feed that the

913
00:47:16,809 --> 00:47:13,859
classified version of the report has

914
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,819
been released to Congress the

915
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,440
Declassified redacted public version

916
00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:22,020
hasn't

917
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,119
um can you comment on that actually yeah

918
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:26,520
I don't I don't think I put that one up

919
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:28,500
on my thing but

920
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:30,660
um I don't I shouldn't I shouldn't say

921
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:32,220
the things that I'm not 100 certain

922
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,940
about

923
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,760
so the uh the assumption is that

924
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:37,200
Congress received a classified version

925
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:39,060
of the report but I actually don't know

926
00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:41,460
I mean everything just seems quite vague

927
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,560
to me did Congress get it did they not

928
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:45,599
it initially

929
00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:46,500
um

930
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:49,380
I thought that we were told they did and

931
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:50,460
that there would be an unclassified

932
00:47:53,809 --> 00:47:52,260
version coming out

933
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,819
so if it was on my Twitter it might have

934
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,200
been something that I said I didn't know

935
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,599
if I posted it on Twitter but I'm gonna

936
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:59,760
I'm gonna gently back away from that

937
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:01,319
statement because I actually don't know

938
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:03,300
right because my version went to

939
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:06,599
Congress I I think I think I assumed

940
00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:09,000
right out of the gate that it did but I

941
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:11,140
I actually don't know the

942
00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:11,520
[Music]

943
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:12,440
um

944
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:16,140
I always I want your comment on this

945
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:16,800
um

946
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:19,319
I always feel that

947
00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:22,020
Congress even the senate or Washington

948
00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:23,220
in general

949
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:25,319
they're not very good at keeping secrets

950
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:29,339
and if the classified version had you

951
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:31,980
know been floating around uh Congress or

952
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,180
the Senate

953
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,040
somebody would have mentioned something

954
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:37,920
somewhere maybe I think some of they're

955
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:39,240
pretty good at some secrets you know

956
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:42,180
criminal Financial Friends free of

957
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:43,740
criminal charges and the like they're

958
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,140
really good at that yeah they're they're

959
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:48,000
great at keep keeping a lot of secrets

960
00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:50,099
so but you understand what I'm saying

961
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:51,780
right if something like that was

962
00:48:55,069 --> 00:48:53,640
floating around something like that

963
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:55,079
would leak if it were politically

964
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,819
expedient for someone to leak it that

965
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:00,000
that happens sure so there there would

966
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:03,000
be leaks that would be intentional

967
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,500
but I don't know if someone would

968
00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:06,000
intentionally want to leak something on

969
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,520
the UAP thing but

970
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:09,599
um

971
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:10,859
yeah I know I haven't heard anything

972
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,260
about a report getting to them so

973
00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:16,319
I I think I openly speculated out loud

974
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,119
about that but I

975
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:21,119
uh which is fine Richard

976
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:22,680
um the

977
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:23,280
um

978
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:26,579
uh the speculation that is out there is

979
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:28,859
is just that though right this is just

980
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,740
opinions and speculation

981
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,260
um I'm I I'm of the opinion that nobody

982
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,720
knows nothing right now because it

983
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,640
hasn't been released

984
00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:41,520
right now I mean I'm still not expect

985
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,859
I'm expecting

986
00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:46,079
some some inherent contradictions with

987
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:48,900
this report so you think back uh 50 plus

988
00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:51,180
years ago to the old Condon report way

989
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:54,660
back in the 60s some people following

990
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:56,099
you know listening to us know what we're

991
00:49:59,630 --> 00:49:57,540
talking about

992
00:50:01,970 --> 00:49:59,640
uh this was the scientific study to the

993
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,980
University of Colorado back in the 1960s

994
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:04,079
and with the condom report you had

995
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:06,540
actually a lot of report uh cases in

996
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:09,599
there that were quite unexplainable

997
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:12,060
and and a few that

998
00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:13,680
even when you read the description

999
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:15,660
they're like within the hairs breath of

1000
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,980
someone saying yeah this is

1001
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:18,660
extraterrestrial they didn't but they

1002
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:20,460
came pretty close and yet the official

1003
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,200
conclusion written by Edward Condon was

1004
00:50:26,329 --> 00:50:24,720
that there's nothing to this uh there's

1005
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:26,339
nothing about UFOs that represent

1006
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:27,660
anything that science needs to

1007
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:29,700
investigate Air Force should just drop

1008
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:32,579
it so you had this great discrepancy in

1009
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:35,160
that and I I expect something like that

1010
00:50:41,410 --> 00:50:37,940
here in other words I think that

1011
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,420
potentially there will be

1012
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:44,280
cases that are quite difficult to

1013
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:46,920
explain but I don't think that the

1014
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:49,260
official statement by the Pentagon is

1015
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:51,480
going to give any indication of that and

1016
00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:52,980
then the other thing is let's keep in

1017
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:54,660
mind every time that they've given us

1018
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,180
information or reports they have never

1019
00:51:02,210 --> 00:50:59,760
given us any specific cases of any

1020
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:02,220
reports none

1021
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:05,400
they've given us some bland statistics

1022
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:09,000
and have not gotten into not one single

1023
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:12,420
like great UFO or UAP case

1024
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:15,300
no I don't expect that uh this time I I

1025
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,559
I assume that you've read heinek's 1977

1026
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,559
book the report on on Project Blue Book

1027
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:24,300
right

1028
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,940
um wait no no that wasn't the title he

1029
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:28,880
had uh

1030
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,740
whatever the title is I have I have it

1031
00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:33,119
upstairs I'm getting all confused here

1032
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:36,300
so heinek did the UFO experience and he

1033
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,500
didn't what the hell is the other one

1034
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:38,880
another one and then he did one with

1035
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:50,390
yeah it's called the heineck UFO report

1036
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:53,220
that's the one yeah yeah so

1037
00:51:59,569 --> 00:51:55,740
um I'm assuming you've read it I'm a

1038
00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:59,579
long time ago yeah I'm like my fourth uh

1039
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:01,800
my fourth read through on this right now

1040
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:03,960
wow that's more you got me well but

1041
00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:07,920
here's the thing he's angry man and and

1042
00:52:15,049 --> 00:52:11,000
the his comments about Condon and and

1043
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:15,059
the hypocrisy and I mean you could just

1044
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:17,579
you could I mean he was he was pissed

1045
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:20,520
off that was not yes um he was

1046
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,380
definitely trying to set the record

1047
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,200
straight on who he was personally and

1048
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:27,359
his frustration with

1049
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:31,980
um uh uh universities the Air Force the

1050
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:35,760
military and anybody else that was uh

1051
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:39,599
poo pooing the subject yeah and wow I've

1052
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:41,220
mellowed out on Alan heineck you know

1053
00:52:45,710 --> 00:52:43,260
it's funny when I started research

1054
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:45,720
watching this back in the 90s I I really

1055
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:48,180
was very critical of Alan heineck and it

1056
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,240
should be said there were many UFO

1057
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:53,280
researchers at the time who were very

1058
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:55,559
critical of Alan eineck this must not be

1059
00:52:59,049 --> 00:52:58,140
forgotten Laurel uh Coral Lorenzen uh

1060
00:53:03,230 --> 00:52:59,059
maybe

1061
00:53:05,569 --> 00:53:03,240
he told them he told the line for 30

1062
00:53:08,109 --> 00:53:05,579
years he was a company man a team player

1063
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:08,119
well not not that long but from the 40s

1064
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:15,950
by the late 60s he was he you know what

1065
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:18,180
here's what it was so high neck

1066
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,040
was a junior member of the Robertson

1067
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:22,559
panel Carl Lorenzen never forgave him

1068
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:24,059
for that because in the Robertson panel

1069
00:53:27,770 --> 00:53:25,980
there they talked about well we need to

1070
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:27,780
surveil some of these UFO groups like

1071
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:31,920
appro yes so she so she knew heineck

1072
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:33,420
knew all about it never said anything to

1073
00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:35,880
her and then here he you know so he

1074
00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:38,579
plays the company line he really was

1075
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:41,640
pretty sophisticated with this UFO in uh

1076
00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:44,460
investigations and his ideas even in the

1077
00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:45,480
50s

1078
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:47,579
but he he was just a company player you

1079
00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:49,260
know he was a company man and then he

1080
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:53,099
takes a huge beating publicly in 1966

1081
00:54:00,109 --> 00:53:57,000
over talking about swamp gas this is

1082
00:54:02,210 --> 00:54:00,119
what really made Alan heineck Wonder uh

1083
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,220
am I am I I'm betting on the wrong pony

1084
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:05,280
here and also he was angry because he

1085
00:54:10,849 --> 00:54:07,619
was told to go to Michigan to deal to

1086
00:54:12,170 --> 00:54:10,859
talk about those sightings and he they

1087
00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:12,180
said do you have an explanation and he's

1088
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:14,099
like well maybe this this is a makeshift

1089
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:16,260
like he just he basically pulled the

1090
00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:17,880
swamp gas thing out of his ass to be

1091
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:20,099
honest he just

1092
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:22,260
you know even he even later said that he

1093
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:24,599
was like he talks about that in the book

1094
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:28,740
yeah guilt the guilt so he ended up

1095
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:32,880
looking like a fool right and and that I

1096
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,180
and at the same time in 1966 you talk

1097
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:39,119
about a dramatic year of UFOs a guy

1098
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:40,740
named James McDonald atmospheric

1099
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:43,980
physicist in New Mexico gets

1100
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,520
really into this subject and there was

1101
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,200
no one like James McDonald and at one

1102
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:51,119
point I think in June of that year

1103
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,540
he he learns about the Robertson panel

1104
00:55:00,109 --> 00:54:57,599
report which was not no one had ever

1105
00:55:03,049 --> 00:55:00,119
known this before that the CIA had

1106
00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:03,059
organized this UFO debunking exercise

1107
00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:06,119
essentially and McDonald was Furious and

1108
00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:07,859
he goes to heinek

1109
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:09,900
because heinek was part of it and you

1110
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:13,680
know Annex in Ohio where uh

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00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,140
Air Force Headquarters was and and valet

1112
00:55:20,809 --> 00:55:17,760
wrote about this and he said McDonald

1113
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:20,819
had his fist on heinek's table like

1114
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:23,160
where have you been all this time

1115
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,099
sitting on these good reports and really

1116
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:28,980
ripping it this is one PhD academician

1117
00:55:33,049 --> 00:55:31,920
in going after another and hitting them

1118
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,059
where it hurts which was his

1119
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:35,400
intellectual Integrity so a high neck

1120
00:55:41,329 --> 00:55:38,520
had the swamp gas Fiasco and then he had

1121
00:55:44,569 --> 00:55:41,339
even worse McDonald like all over him

1122
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:44,579
and so I think what happened is that

1123
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:46,520
Alan heineck

1124
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:49,020
decided that's it

1125
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:53,040
I am and he he increasingly became very

1126
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:55,800
independent of the Air Force position at

1127
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:56,760
that time

1128
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,740
but um

1129
00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:00,480
you know he

1130
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:02,940
I think he he was I talked to Don

1131
00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:04,980
Schmidt about this once Don Schmidt knew

1132
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:07,559
heinek really well yes and uh documents

1133
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:10,920
a really good UFO researcher also and

1134
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:14,040
he said Alan was very very upset in his

1135
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,359
last years

1136
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:18,000
uh very sad and and thinking why

1137
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:19,559
wouldn't the Air Force just tell me the

1138
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,760
truth why wouldn't they tell me the

1139
00:56:25,130 --> 00:56:23,760
truth I was their consultant and he he

1140
00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:25,140
was never

1141
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,599
anything so he was actually it was a sad

1142
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:31,920
thing for him at the end of his life

1143
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,319
according to what Don said yeah he says

1144
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,240
in the book he makes a couple of

1145
00:56:41,650 --> 00:56:38,880
comments about that he said that

1146
00:56:45,950 --> 00:56:41,660
um that everybody needs to understand

1147
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,960
that he was never a part of the club he

1148
00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:48,000
wasn't in the Air Force he was a

1149
00:56:52,609 --> 00:56:50,280
consultant so if he was going to the

1150
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,619
Officers Club he was going to the up you

1151
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,240
know for lunch

1152
00:57:00,770 --> 00:56:56,960
um at Wright-Patterson it was as a guest

1153
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:00,780
and he was never a part of these

1154
00:57:05,390 --> 00:57:03,900
military conversations and and uh and

1155
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:05,400
then the other thing

1156
00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:07,980
um that uh he said

1157
00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:11,660
um in the book it's a is an amazing line

1158
00:57:22,329 --> 00:57:17,640
he says do I believe in UFOs

1159
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:22,339
he said believe is religious

1160
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:25,920
I know there's an ET presence

1161
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:28,680
and and I just what an extraordinary

1162
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:32,160
line right you know to believe in

1163
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:33,660
something you know he said no that's

1164
00:57:40,370 --> 00:57:35,880
that's religious that's that's a belief

1165
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,380
system I I know and and then

1166
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:42,960
um uh right around that same part in the

1167
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:46,440
book uh much to his credit he said that

1168
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:50,700
he his biggest regret was not pushing

1169
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:53,400
science from the very very very

1170
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,839
beginning going back to 1949 and

1171
00:58:01,730 --> 00:58:00,000
um he said that you know he was not in a

1172
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,740
position where he could that's not the

1173
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:04,079
reality you could never have done it and

1174
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:06,660
and now and this is the crazy part he

1175
00:58:14,569 --> 00:58:10,200
wrote this in 1977. and everything that

1176
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:14,579
uh seems to be so uh prevalent not

1177
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:16,680
relevant prevalent today like with Avi

1178
00:58:20,569 --> 00:58:19,140
Loeb right we've got the science we've

1179
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:20,579
got to push the science behind this

1180
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,000
we've got you know uh uh the the last uh

1181
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:26,160
odni report right we got to get the

1182
00:58:30,589 --> 00:58:27,900
science involved we don't know what's

1183
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:30,599
going on this is what heinek was writing

1184
00:58:36,049 --> 00:58:34,440
about in 1977 that we need to apply the

1185
00:58:38,510 --> 00:58:36,059
science to this

1186
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:38,520
you know I get a little antsy or a

1187
00:58:41,450 --> 00:58:40,020
little uh nervous when I hear people

1188
00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:41,460
talking about the science follow the

1189
00:58:45,010 --> 00:58:43,319
science there's been a lot of abuse of

1190
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:45,020
that phrase over the last several years

1191
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,119
for sure and you know the thing about

1192
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:50,160
science is that it's it's done by

1193
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:52,440
scientists who are human beings

1194
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,140
so science is a process and it's a very

1195
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:57,119
it's an excellent process

1196
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:00,359
it's a great process but it doesn't it's

1197
00:59:03,049 --> 00:59:02,220
not perfect and the people applying

1198
00:59:05,870 --> 00:59:03,059
science

1199
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:05,880
are not perfect and so the the problem

1200
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:08,700
that we have in our society and we hear

1201
00:59:12,289 --> 00:59:10,380
this a lot these last few years when you

1202
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:12,299
have people blathering on about

1203
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:13,920
following the science all the time it's

1204
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:16,380
like you know what just back up you no

1205
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,900
one not even scientists agree on things

1206
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:20,880
they have arguments all the time it is

1207
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:23,460
the nature of science to work things out

1208
00:59:28,370 --> 00:59:26,099
like this and to disagree uh it's not

1209
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,380
like they it's uh

1210
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,240
you know you have this objective answer

1211
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:32,339
to a question just because you do the

1212
00:59:35,809 --> 00:59:33,900
science it doesn't doesn't work like

1213
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:35,819
that it never does you look at something

1214
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:39,119
like you know any any subject in science

1215
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:40,319
that one can think of there's probably

1216
00:59:44,569 --> 00:59:41,700
arguments about

1217
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:44,579
or at least a lot of things so I mean I

1218
00:59:49,010 --> 00:59:46,140
I appreciate where heinek was coming

1219
00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:49,020
from and and I was I was saying I used

1220
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:51,540
to be really critical of him when I was

1221
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,640
kind of younger getting into this field

1222
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:55,920
because I really saw him the way Corolla

1223
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:57,540
ends and saw him I I saw him as a

1224
01:00:01,370 --> 01:00:00,059
sellout to be honest and I was really uh

1225
01:00:04,130 --> 01:00:01,380
it was really tough and I wrote a couple

1226
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:04,140
of kind of harsh statements about heinek

1227
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:05,339
in my first book

1228
01:00:11,089 --> 01:00:08,940
which I don't regret it I mean but but I

1229
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:11,099
I see it a little differently now and I

1230
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:12,240
I think

1231
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:13,140
um

1232
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:16,140
you know the fact that he he was a I

1233
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:18,000
wouldn't call him a sycophant but he he

1234
01:00:22,190 --> 01:00:21,059
was a very subservient team player for a

1235
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,200
while but

1236
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,420
you know it was the 1940s and 1950s I

1237
01:00:28,849 --> 01:00:26,160
mean that was the norm

1238
01:00:31,010 --> 01:00:28,859
you know people really did have this

1239
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:31,020
almost worshipful attitude about the

1240
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:33,240
military hey they'd won the second world

1241
01:00:37,549 --> 01:00:35,339
war like there was a lot of things to

1242
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:37,559
feel good about with them and high neck

1243
01:00:41,329 --> 01:00:39,720
uh was willing to go along and you know

1244
01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:41,339
it was a decent little salary a nice

1245
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,859
little extra bonus his day job was

1246
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,540
teaching astronomy at Ohio State

1247
01:00:49,069 --> 01:00:47,280
University you know he worked with

1248
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:49,079
Donald Menzel for about five years at

1249
01:00:53,770 --> 01:00:51,660
Harvard yeah that's right they were

1250
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:53,780
friends

1251
01:00:57,950 --> 01:00:55,740
speaking of that

1252
01:00:59,170 --> 01:00:57,960
um I've got 90 seconds before the break

1253
01:01:03,490 --> 01:00:59,180
okay

1254
01:01:07,329 --> 01:01:03,500
Menzel a great skeptic

1255
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:07,339
out of out of everybody and it it it it

1256
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:10,020
turns out I mean I could be completely

1257
01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:14,220
wrong about this but then he shows up on

1258
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,299
like an mj-12 list then he shows up uh

1259
01:01:26,809 --> 01:01:20,640
with connections directly back to the

1260
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:26,819
CIA NSA but yeah NSA and yet he's uh it

1261
01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:31,380
it it seemed like at some point he was a

1262
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:33,660
believer in in UFOs and he kind of

1263
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:36,299
flip-flopped too as well did you ever

1264
01:01:41,150 --> 01:01:38,940
figure him out did you have a do you

1265
01:01:44,089 --> 01:01:41,160
have a conclusion on him

1266
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:44,099
um my attitude was that Menzel I don't

1267
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:45,420
know to what extent he was ever a

1268
01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:47,940
believer in UFOs that's I'm going to say

1269
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:50,700
that's news to me I mean Menzel was the

1270
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:53,880
debunker of course I mean the 100 he was

1271
01:01:58,569 --> 01:01:56,880
Philip class times 10 uh because he had

1272
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,579
this Authority he was a Harvard

1273
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,200
astronomer yes it would be like if Neil

1274
01:02:06,049 --> 01:02:03,599
deGrasse Tyson had spent uh all of his

1275
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:06,059
public effort just debunking UFOs that

1276
01:02:10,510 --> 01:02:08,940
was Menzel he was a very high uh profile

1277
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:10,520
guy

1278
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:13,920
secretly working with the NSA yeah but

1279
01:02:20,329 --> 01:02:17,280
my point about him is how can you be you

1280
01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:20,339
know have a public face of of debunking

1281
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:23,579
this and then turn around and be a part

1282
01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:25,140
of mj-12

1283
01:02:30,829 --> 01:02:28,920
I mean you can't you that makes perfect

1284
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:30,839
sense to me it does perfect sense yeah

1285
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:33,119
absolutely it was a head scratcher for

1286
01:02:36,049 --> 01:02:34,920
me we got we had a break but I'll we

1287
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:36,059
could talk about that when you come back

1288
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:37,920
yeah let's do it let's do it this is

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01:02:42,049 --> 01:02:39,180
Fade to Black our guest tonight the one

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Welcome Back Fade to Blackheath church

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tonight Richard Dolan is with us

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now per Richard's request

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gonna continue on with Benzel and what I

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love about this audience uh Richard is

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01:08:30,110 --> 01:08:28,380
the spirited uh discussion uh about

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Menzel that was going on during the

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break oh and and here's the you know

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they're smart

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um that this was my point that I was

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trying to make when uh you know I'm a

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kid you know and I'm reading you know

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did same thing that you are you know

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Manziel and then play 12 and you know

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and you're connecting all these dots and

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01:08:53,329 --> 01:08:51,540
these names and and going back and

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you're a student of government and

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history and and you know these names

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keep repeating

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um and so Manziel I I I stepped back and

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went wait a minute

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how can you be mj-12 and be the world's

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biggest ass when it comes to UFOs

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and and it and but the the what was said

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in the chat was of course Jimmy

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Richard's right it makes perfect sense

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right you're gonna you're gonna cover

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you're gonna cover the secret well no

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yeah it's not only that but yes uh

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that's right

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but first of all think about how

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actually utterly

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awful and terrible and lame so many of

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his explanations of these UFOs were they

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were actually terrible

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01:09:44,809 --> 01:09:41,640
Menzel was an astronomer and so the

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problem is in the UFO field we give

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astronomers a pass it's like oh well

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extraterrestrials are from outer space

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therefore astronomers must be the

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experts right baloney they're they they

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have no qualifications they do not have

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any better qualifications than any of

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the fader knots or uh any other people

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following the UFO field they have and I

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mean literally nothing that makes them

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more qualified than the person anyone on

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the street and unless they want to study

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01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:13,980
some UFO reports then they they can

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become qualified but astronomers by

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themselves no and and the other thing is

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01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:19,920
where do UFOs occur they don't occur

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mostly in outer space they occur in the

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Earth's atmosphere

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that is why James MacDonald was able to

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tear Menzel's ridiculous explanations to

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Pieces right because McDonald was

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01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,820
working in his dojo all the UFOs are

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happening in the atmosphere and so my

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01:10:42,890 --> 01:10:39,659
point with Menzel is his UFO

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01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:42,900
explanations were so terrible so utterly

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beneath his scientific capability you

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um you know his expertise in astronomy

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01:10:58,189 --> 01:10:54,420
he's he's world class he he was world

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01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,199
class but his UFO explanations I mean he

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wrote I think four UFO books and they're

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01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:04,440
terrible and you know we think of Philip

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01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,540
class as the guy who really mastered the

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art of of the smear

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and that is true class was I mean he was

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a reprehensible human being but Menzel

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01:11:18,169 --> 01:11:15,000
also did a lot of that stuff he he was

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not acting in his capacity as a

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scientist when he engaged in most of his

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UFO debunking so I think yes his

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position

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was simply to use his status at Harvard

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University Harvard he's like in the the

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thick of the whole National Security

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intelligence apparatus I mean maybe it

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would have been better if it was Yale

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but it's Harvard it's good enough

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and um and he did his work for the for

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the National Security State as a as a

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patriotic American who you know bragged

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to president-elect John Kennedy that he

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might want someone like Menzel because

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Menzel had nice connections at NSA and

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01:12:01,970 --> 01:12:00,239
all of that stuff so Menzel was a

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scientist in his capacity as an

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01:12:09,310 --> 01:12:05,159
astronomer but as a UFO researcher he

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was not acting scientifically whatsoever

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and uh and staying on this uh because

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one of the uh the points that heinek uh

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keeps going over in the book he does it

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many many times is he says that

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um the Air Force

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only commented

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01:12:31,250 --> 01:12:30,000
they would collect the data but that

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01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:31,260
that's all they would do they wouldn't

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look at anything at all and would just

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say something and comment and close the

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case

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um and I thought that that was a very

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01:12:45,709 --> 01:12:44,100
interesting thing and it kind of goes

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01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:45,719
back to what you're saying like about

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somebody like Menzel where you can't

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01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,340
apply you know astronomy to to this so

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01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,440
therefore anything that you say is an

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01:12:59,570 --> 01:12:57,360
opinion and it's just a comment right

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01:13:02,450 --> 01:12:59,580
that's right that's it

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he he was an intelligent man he could

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have used his powers for good instead of

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evil if he wished but he he didn't do

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01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:08,460
that do you think he was in the know

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though

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I think he knew an awful yeah well if he

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01:13:18,169 --> 01:13:16,320
was in mj-12 he would very much be in

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01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:18,179
the know and I don't I don't know that

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01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:21,540
you know I believe that there is and was

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an mj-12 I think it goes by zodiac or

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some other name now but

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01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:26,640
but

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um

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01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:31,080
you know mentals inclusion on that list

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01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:32,820
is kind of interesting and I I still

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01:13:35,390 --> 01:13:33,960
don't know what I think I know there's

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01:13:37,070 --> 01:13:35,400
people with very strong opinions on

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01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,080
those documents and

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01:13:40,729 --> 01:13:39,120
and I'm supposed to say oh yeah they're

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01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:40,739
all a hoax I know I'm supposed to say

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01:13:43,729 --> 01:13:41,880
that

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01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:43,739
almost don't I can't I've never been

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01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,420
able to bring myself to it so I've

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01:13:50,350 --> 01:13:47,280
caught so much hell from some

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01:13:53,689 --> 01:13:50,360
researchers out there including

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01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:53,699
I remember uh you and I I was driving in

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01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,640
my car uh like in the desert and you and

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01:14:02,630 --> 01:13:59,280
I talked for like an hour maybe longer

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01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:02,640
on MJ 12 and you asked me

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01:14:09,169 --> 01:14:05,100
um you know what I thought uh about the

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01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:09,179
the documents and uh

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01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:12,719
yeah we got pretty spirited my friend we

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01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,440
got pretty spirit I I I I still

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01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:18,480
um when I when I look back Richard this

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01:14:22,010 --> 01:14:20,159
is this is my take and I know I said

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01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:22,020
this to you before

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01:14:29,689 --> 01:14:25,380
um when they were first released

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01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,699
um I looked at them not from I'm

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01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:31,920
repeating myself to you but the audience

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01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:34,380
probably hasn't heard this I looked at

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01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:38,580
it as a graphic designer what it would

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01:14:45,890 --> 01:14:44,040
take to recreate those documents that is

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01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:45,900
in we're talking about that time period

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01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:48,960
they didn't have there was no word there

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01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,780
were no computer programs this was 1987

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01:14:55,729 --> 01:14:54,000
when they when they made the public they

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01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:55,739
reached

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01:15:01,729 --> 01:14:59,100
um a type right somebody had to get a

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01:15:06,169 --> 01:15:01,739
period typewriter

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01:15:08,510 --> 01:15:06,179
um uh and and and no uh a formatting of

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01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:08,520
documents correctly

1549
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:11,040
um from the 40s and 50s and 60s which

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01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:13,739
changed you know from decades and not

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01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:15,060
everything was the same and how you

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01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:17,219
signed it where the date was and and so

1553
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:20,400
forth you would have to have an extreme

1554
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,880
amount of knowledge to create that it

1555
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,440
was a stack of documents that was this

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01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:27,600
thick it wasn't two pages right it was

1557
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:30,840
just hundreds well now there's the mj-12

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01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:32,580
documents which came out in the 80s

1559
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:36,080
which were are just seven pages yeah

1560
01:15:42,530 --> 01:15:39,440
but then you have the Majestic documents

1561
01:15:44,810 --> 01:15:42,540
on the website of Ryan and Bob Wood this

1562
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:44,820
is the conversation exactly word for

1563
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:47,120
word that Richard and I had on the phone

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01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,280
uh yes Richard yes yes there were two

1565
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,520
but the the point the point being that I

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01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:55,679
had when I looked at them I looked at

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01:16:01,970 --> 01:15:59,040
them differently and then I got into the

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01:16:05,870 --> 01:16:01,980
content right and and that that was

1569
01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:05,880
another but who and how were those

1570
01:16:13,250 --> 01:16:09,060
documents created if they were hoaxed

1571
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:13,260
you know I I I I don't know I I I I've

1572
01:16:17,470 --> 01:16:14,880
gotten on to this as well I talked with

1573
01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:17,480
a couple of folks um

1574
01:16:23,870 --> 01:16:21,000
and uh I remember

1575
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:23,880
so the Majestic documents the the big

1576
01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:26,159
fat collection of documents it's it's an

1577
01:16:29,570 --> 01:16:27,420
inch and a half if you stack them all

1578
01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:29,580
together it's it's a lot of documents

1579
01:16:33,229 --> 01:16:31,860
there and moreover they're not just they

1580
01:16:35,870 --> 01:16:33,239
don't exist in the form of negatives

1581
01:16:38,030 --> 01:16:35,880
they're actual paper that can be tested

1582
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,040
and dated and looked at and

1583
01:16:42,830 --> 01:16:40,320
uh which which the woods have the woods

1584
01:16:45,169 --> 01:16:42,840
have done a lot of this work and they've

1585
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:45,179
done a lot of forensic analysis people

1586
01:16:49,790 --> 01:16:47,040
don't always realize this

1587
01:16:52,729 --> 01:16:49,800
so when you look at the sum total of it

1588
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:52,739
I I remembered reading them

1589
01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:53,460
um

1590
01:16:57,050 --> 01:16:55,500
it was after I wrote my first book that

1591
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,060
I finally got to them

1592
01:17:00,350 --> 01:16:59,040
I think it was in 01 or O2 and I just

1593
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:00,360
said all right I've got to read these

1594
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:02,940
and I dreaded it I was afraid like I

1595
01:17:07,370 --> 01:17:05,520
always have this fear of diving into

1596
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:07,380
these controversial subjects and then

1597
01:17:11,810 --> 01:17:10,380
I'll just do it so I read the Majestic

1598
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,820
documents and I remembered I printed

1599
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:13,199
them all off

1600
01:17:17,870 --> 01:17:15,540
and I bound them I still have them that

1601
01:17:19,370 --> 01:17:17,880
way and I read them just one page at a

1602
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,380
time chronologically

1603
01:17:24,590 --> 01:17:21,840
and it blew my mind that's the truth and

1604
01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:24,600
I remembered writing to um

1605
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,480
uh can I mention his name whatever I

1606
01:17:35,149 --> 01:17:29,760
wrote to one person I said so here's my

1607
01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:38,030
there is no way in hell one person did

1608
01:17:42,110 --> 01:17:39,659
this this is not some guy working out of

1609
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,120
his basement uh this this is this would

1610
01:17:46,669 --> 01:17:44,640
be someone with Beyond genius level IQ

1611
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:46,679
in my opinion one person knew doing that

1612
01:17:52,010 --> 01:17:49,980
not a chance not a chance it had to be a

1613
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:52,020
team it had to it would have to be a

1614
01:17:59,209 --> 01:17:55,199
team of high-level researcher PhD types

1615
01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:59,219
who were expert in a whole array of of

1616
01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:00,840
historical subjects this is the thing

1617
01:18:08,990 --> 01:18:03,900
and and as well as document creation and

1618
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:09,000
uh and also bureaucratic jargon uh chain

1619
01:18:13,729 --> 01:18:10,560
of command

1620
01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:13,739
like and and then and then a total array

1621
01:18:19,570 --> 01:18:15,780
of scientific and historical

1622
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:19,580
and not to make mistakes and one other

1623
01:18:25,310 --> 01:18:22,440
important point one that I've made to

1624
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:25,320
you and I'm going to say this again they

1625
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:29,760
had to have accurate calendars

1626
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:32,880
where people were on specific days

1627
01:18:37,729 --> 01:18:35,820
around the world that's right but there

1628
01:18:39,649 --> 01:18:37,739
couldn't be any mistakes there this is

1629
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,659
why I don't think it's the it's a hoax

1630
01:18:43,729 --> 01:18:42,239
but but if it was a hoax then the

1631
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:43,739
question is this is what I remembered

1632
01:18:48,290 --> 01:18:45,840
mentioning with uh this one gentleman I

1633
01:18:51,410 --> 01:18:48,300
said if this is a hoax who is this

1634
01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:51,420
directed toward this is disinfo not me

1635
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:54,120
not not me like UFO researcher who the

1636
01:18:59,149 --> 01:18:57,600
hell cares I mean honestly you no one no

1637
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:59,159
one was paying attention to UFO

1638
01:19:03,229 --> 01:19:01,739
researchers when the Majestic documents

1639
01:19:05,149 --> 01:19:03,239
were coming no one pays attention now

1640
01:19:06,890 --> 01:19:05,159
either but certainly not then right so

1641
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:06,900
maybe what would have been directed

1642
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:08,760
against the Russians or the Soviets back

1643
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:10,380
back in olden times

1644
01:19:14,330 --> 01:19:12,360
but if that were the case that would

1645
01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:14,340
still be a very strong endorsement of

1646
01:19:19,850 --> 01:19:16,380
the reality of UFOs and ETS I thought

1647
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:19,860
because the the Soviets were not stupid

1648
01:19:25,370 --> 01:19:24,000
so you're not going to fool them if they

1649
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:25,380
knew that there were no such things as

1650
01:19:30,830 --> 01:19:28,080
UFOs and aliens the only way it would

1651
01:19:33,610 --> 01:19:30,840
work as disinfo is if you're trying to

1652
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,620
feed them some kind of fake information

1653
01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:36,000
by packaging it within something that

1654
01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:38,760
they're going to be believing and and so

1655
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:41,400
so all no matter how I looked at the MJ

1656
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,500
The Majestic documents I came away

1657
01:19:48,110 --> 01:19:45,600
thinking this is a confirmation of the

1658
01:19:52,490 --> 01:19:48,120
UFO reality but I also think

1659
01:19:53,689 --> 01:19:52,500
that those documents are legit I do I

1660
01:19:56,090 --> 01:19:53,699
think that they are real that includes

1661
01:19:58,490 --> 01:19:56,100
the burn memo the Angleton one what the

1662
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,500
talking about Kevin Kennedy I think I

1663
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:01,199
think they are probably true

1664
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:03,840
it's it's tough man it's it's it's too

1665
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:06,480
good to be true you know and so I I

1666
01:20:12,410 --> 01:20:08,880
might also almost too good to hoax yeah

1667
01:20:15,530 --> 01:20:12,420
I know right right it's just uh on on

1668
01:20:19,370 --> 01:20:15,540
one side like I said to recreate that

1669
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:19,380
from a graphic design standpoint you're

1670
01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:22,260
not on a computer you don't have you're

1671
01:20:27,649 --> 01:20:25,380
not correcting stuff you are typing this

1672
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:27,659
out and if you make a mistake you don't

1673
01:20:33,070 --> 01:20:30,120
have white out you are taking the page

1674
01:20:36,169 --> 01:20:33,080
out of the typewriter and retyping it

1675
01:20:39,229 --> 01:20:36,179
perfectly right and trying to do that

1676
01:20:42,130 --> 01:20:39,239
with the stack of documents it's it's a

1677
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:42,140
crate now if you have

1678
01:20:48,649 --> 01:20:45,360
Miss perf Miss Right professional

1679
01:20:52,189 --> 01:20:48,659
secretary pool typist in the typing pool

1680
01:20:54,169 --> 01:20:52,199
at the Pentagon in 1948 that could type

1681
01:20:57,310 --> 01:20:54,179
200 words per minute and not make a

1682
01:21:01,490 --> 01:20:57,320
mistake that's different but

1683
01:21:03,950 --> 01:21:01,500
you don't have that in 1989 uh you know

1684
01:21:07,550 --> 01:21:03,960
to recreate these things so I I don't

1685
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:07,560
know man now In fairness I I believe I

1686
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:09,840
think that Tim Cooper who was

1687
01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:12,840
uh the main he housed most of those

1688
01:21:17,810 --> 01:21:15,719
Majestic documents uh until the woods

1689
01:21:21,229 --> 01:21:17,820
bought bought them from him

1690
01:21:23,689 --> 01:21:21,239
if I am not mistaken I think he does not

1691
01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:23,699
credit those documents

1692
01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:27,900
any longer I think he did I think I if I

1693
01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:32,760
am not mistaken I think some researcher

1694
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,500
got him put him on the record and got a

1695
01:21:39,649 --> 01:21:36,239
statement out of him

1696
01:21:41,630 --> 01:21:39,659
so but you know but I I look at the

1697
01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:41,640
forensic work done by Ryan and and Dr

1698
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:43,560
Bob Wood on this and I'm just I'm very

1699
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,679
impressed I have to say

1700
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:47,280
so

1701
01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:49,739
um let's let's change gears just a

1702
01:21:54,530 --> 01:21:52,260
little bit okay so last thing on this

1703
01:21:56,510 --> 01:21:54,540
last thing I have another last thing too

1704
01:22:00,110 --> 01:21:56,520
okay whatever I think about the Majestic

1705
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,120
documents or the mj-12 for that matter

1706
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:01,920
um I may have an opinion on their

1707
01:22:07,550 --> 01:22:06,000
veracity but because they are so

1708
01:22:09,709 --> 01:22:07,560
disputed

1709
01:22:14,510 --> 01:22:09,719
um I have never and really don't foresee

1710
01:22:16,850 --> 01:22:14,520
ever using them as historical data now I

1711
01:22:18,110 --> 01:22:16,860
might I might look at them

1712
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:18,120
for

1713
01:22:23,570 --> 01:22:20,640
ideas I might look at them and think

1714
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:23,580
this could be true but for me it's

1715
01:22:27,649 --> 01:22:25,679
always a matter of

1716
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:27,659
I don't they're not they're not a slam

1717
01:22:32,270 --> 01:22:30,540
dunk obviously and so I've never been

1718
01:22:33,709 --> 01:22:32,280
comfortable using them there are

1719
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:33,719
researchers out there who kind of do

1720
01:22:38,630 --> 01:22:36,239
that they'll use the documents as you

1721
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:38,640
know as factual and I understand it like

1722
01:22:41,209 --> 01:22:39,900
you know you make a decision at some

1723
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:41,219
point you're like okay I believe these

1724
01:22:45,530 --> 01:22:43,500
are real but for me I haven't gotten to

1725
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:45,540
that point I I believe that they are

1726
01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:46,620
real but

1727
01:22:52,729 --> 01:22:49,020
there's I still hold back

1728
01:22:55,729 --> 01:22:52,739
and uh my closing thing on this is the

1729
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:55,739
UFO Community today the you know the

1730
01:23:00,050 --> 01:22:57,600
newcomers to the community we welcome

1731
01:23:02,330 --> 01:23:00,060
all of you that that are interested in

1732
01:23:06,410 --> 01:23:02,340
the subject they think that these are

1733
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:06,420
amazing times you need to uh but we can

1734
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,320
go back and when mj-12 a majestic hit

1735
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:12,239
the UFO community

1736
01:23:19,209 --> 01:23:16,260
I don't the impact you know and we don't

1737
01:23:22,850 --> 01:23:19,219
we don't understand you know uh today

1738
01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:22,860
you know imagine if if Majestic and

1739
01:23:28,010 --> 01:23:25,560
mj-12 those documents hit the UFO

1740
01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:28,020
Community today with the internet the

1741
01:23:34,189 --> 01:23:32,040
way that it is and the the hysteria that

1742
01:23:37,130 --> 01:23:34,199
would be around it well we went through

1743
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:37,140
that you know and and I keep talking

1744
01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:38,940
about these Hills and Valleys we had a

1745
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:40,260
little bit of that with Davis Wilson I

1746
01:23:46,250 --> 01:23:44,159
would say 100 uh 100 when we saw like

1747
01:23:48,110 --> 01:23:46,260
some people basically uh can we use bad

1748
01:23:50,090 --> 01:23:48,120
language bad language on this show not

1749
01:23:52,610 --> 01:23:50,100
really you got to be careful well you

1750
01:23:55,130 --> 01:23:52,620
know you're you're Richard no no no

1751
01:23:58,970 --> 01:23:55,140
never mind anyway people really lost it

1752
01:24:00,649 --> 01:23:58,980
they just lost it and um I think I think

1753
01:24:02,689 --> 01:24:00,659
we've gotten past that now fortunately

1754
01:24:05,390 --> 01:24:02,699
but

1755
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:05,400
yeah and it well you know I we were not

1756
01:24:08,990 --> 01:24:06,960
around I I don't think you were I

1757
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:09,000
definitely was not in the UFO field in

1758
01:24:15,770 --> 01:24:13,199
the 1980s when the MJ 12 documents first

1759
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:15,780
hit but I tried covering a lot of these

1760
01:24:20,930 --> 01:24:18,960
dramas in uh my second volume of UFOs in

1761
01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:20,940
the National Security State a lot of

1762
01:24:25,850 --> 01:24:23,219
that book was I mean I covered a lot of

1763
01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:25,860
UFO sightings and the politics and the

1764
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,719
cover-up but I I definitely covered the

1765
01:24:32,330 --> 01:24:30,000
UFO Community to me that was very very

1766
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:32,340
important part of the story uh the

1767
01:24:36,590 --> 01:24:34,260
development of conferences I mean I

1768
01:24:39,410 --> 01:24:36,600
wrote about that the impact of of the

1769
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:39,420
early internet on UFO research and and

1770
01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:41,100
all of the controversies and there were

1771
01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:43,980
so many uh the 1980s had a lot of

1772
01:24:48,050 --> 01:24:46,260
controversies I mean abductions was a

1773
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:48,060
controversy big big fights going on

1774
01:24:51,410 --> 01:24:50,400
between uh people like David Jacobs way

1775
01:24:53,149 --> 01:24:51,420
back then

1776
01:24:55,550 --> 01:24:53,159
and um

1777
01:24:57,050 --> 01:24:55,560
other researchers who were prominent at

1778
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,060
the time thought he was full of it and

1779
01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:59,760
you know it just never stopped and so

1780
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:01,500
you go all through the 80s and you had

1781
01:25:05,870 --> 01:25:03,900
the mj-12s coming out you had Golf

1782
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:05,880
Breeze and the whole Ed Walters thing

1783
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:09,600
that was a huge controversy and uh Area

1784
01:25:14,330 --> 01:25:10,860
51

1785
01:25:15,890 --> 01:25:14,340
and you by the end of the 80s by 1989

1786
01:25:19,070 --> 01:25:15,900
1990

1787
01:25:20,689 --> 01:25:19,080
I I was fascinated in researching this

1788
01:25:23,570 --> 01:25:20,699
for that book

1789
01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:23,580
the UFO Community was a lot of that

1790
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:25,860
Community was convinced

1791
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:27,360
that there is going to be some kind of

1792
01:25:29,870 --> 01:25:28,860
disclosure they weren't using that

1793
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,880
phrase

1794
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:31,440
but they were convinced that there was

1795
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,179
going to be a leak out of the George

1796
01:25:37,550 --> 01:25:35,280
Bush Senior White House and indeed it

1797
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,560
looks like there were conversations at

1798
01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:39,120
high levels in that white house but they

1799
01:25:43,130 --> 01:25:40,980
didn't end up going anywhere

1800
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,140
uh the UFO field had people like Bill

1801
01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:45,679
Cooper in there John Lear

1802
01:25:51,709 --> 01:25:49,320
recently lost paranet was a new thing I

1803
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,719
mean it was a crazy uh there are some

1804
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:53,280
people that names have forgotten a guy

1805
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:55,860
named William English Bill English there

1806
01:25:59,870 --> 01:25:57,679
were some very like

1807
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,880
controversial folks that were in there

1808
01:26:03,649 --> 01:26:00,960
that were getting inside information

1809
01:26:05,930 --> 01:26:03,659
like for the first time because we had

1810
01:26:07,729 --> 01:26:05,940
this new thing called the internet uh

1811
01:26:10,729 --> 01:26:07,739
you know it was becoming impossible to

1812
01:26:11,930 --> 01:26:10,739
censor things it was you know it was a

1813
01:26:13,970 --> 01:26:11,940
very

1814
01:26:16,910 --> 01:26:13,980
uh dynamic

1815
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,920
and and dramatic period

1816
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:19,199
of UFO every bit as dramatic as what

1817
01:26:24,350 --> 01:26:20,639
anything that we've gotten today yeah

1818
01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:24,360
the the Gulf Breeze

1819
01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:27,659
um its significance

1820
01:26:33,050 --> 01:26:29,460
um we need to kind of go back and visit

1821
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:33,060
that uh in the community today because I

1822
01:26:40,370 --> 01:26:36,960
remember that I mean I remember

1823
01:26:43,390 --> 01:26:40,380
the color pictures on the front page of

1824
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:43,400
the LA Times right yeah and I'm like

1825
01:26:53,649 --> 01:26:47,600
what right and this is this is

1826
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:53,659
1985. uh I think late uh 80. yeah

1827
01:26:58,209 --> 01:26:56,400
I know where I lived when I had the

1828
01:27:01,970 --> 01:26:58,219
paper in my hand it was in Pasadena

1829
01:27:06,649 --> 01:27:01,980
anyway you know Gulf Breeze this was

1830
01:27:09,709 --> 01:27:06,659
National media heavy coverage this that

1831
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:09,719
was a really really really big deal and

1832
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:11,580
you know it's funny I wasn't following

1833
01:27:15,550 --> 01:27:13,679
any of that at the time you don't

1834
01:27:18,590 --> 01:27:15,560
remember the uh

1835
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:18,600
brutally oblivious uh in the late 80s I

1836
01:27:23,709 --> 01:27:19,920
was in a different world

1837
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:23,719
The B-52s you see that's the problem

1838
01:27:29,149 --> 01:27:27,360
I was trying to be uh I was thinking I

1839
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:29,159
was going to be a professor somewhere

1840
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:30,480
now

1841
01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:34,080
um okay so I was not doing UFOs can we

1842
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,600
can we talk about Wilson Davis yes yes

1843
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:39,840
by all means well let's it's actually a

1844
01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:42,480
good segue I like the way you naturally

1845
01:27:47,450 --> 01:27:44,760
threw me the softball there it was

1846
01:27:50,270 --> 01:27:47,460
really well done host to Hope

1847
01:27:54,169 --> 01:27:50,280
um but you're right though

1848
01:27:56,990 --> 01:27:54,179
um Wilson Davis you did uh put it out

1849
01:27:59,209 --> 01:27:57,000
there very early on

1850
01:28:02,090 --> 01:27:59,219
um that this could be you know the

1851
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:02,100
document of the century right and and

1852
01:28:07,070 --> 01:28:05,040
you you rolled the dice but you felt

1853
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:07,080
something in your bones you you knew you

1854
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:10,080
had you had reasons but for me the dice

1855
01:28:14,510 --> 01:28:12,239
were loaded like I knew I knew that I

1856
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:14,520
had this right right I knew that those I

1857
01:28:18,890 --> 01:28:17,040
knew those notes were real

1858
01:28:23,209 --> 01:28:18,900
um to have

1859
01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:23,219
um uh uh Jack Houck and and Okie

1860
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,060
Shannon's notes to surface a lot like

1861
01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:29,760
what was going on with uh The Majestic

1862
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,860
and mj-12 document where you have

1863
01:28:35,810 --> 01:28:33,840
supporting stuff around the scene right

1864
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:35,820
you have things uh to support it yeah

1865
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:37,080
exactly

1866
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,560
um here Wilson Davis the document was

1867
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:43,440
there and we were looking but to have

1868
01:28:51,169 --> 01:28:47,280
Oak Shannon surface let alone his notes

1869
01:28:53,629 --> 01:28:51,179
but the person himself uh to surface and

1870
01:28:56,330 --> 01:28:53,639
then Jack haux Nokes

1871
01:28:59,290 --> 01:28:56,340
um from you know you know everything

1872
01:29:02,510 --> 01:28:59,300
that they have said have corroborated

1873
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,520
key Arcane little details in Davis's

1874
01:29:08,090 --> 01:29:03,840
notes

1875
01:29:11,209 --> 01:29:08,100
you know in fact I think you called me

1876
01:29:14,330 --> 01:29:11,219
when the oak Shannon notes came out and

1877
01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:14,340
the reference to ap10 which was in his

1878
01:29:20,030 --> 01:29:16,620
notes um I think he had apt-10 that's

1879
01:29:22,610 --> 01:29:20,040
Advanced theoretical physics

1880
01:29:25,129 --> 01:29:22,620
um or ATP 10 I guess and and then in

1881
01:29:27,610 --> 01:29:25,139
what in Davis's notes it's I think it's

1882
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:27,620
ap10 but it's obviously the same thing

1883
01:29:32,990 --> 01:29:30,960
uh talking about the meetings there so

1884
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:33,000
that was a nice little connection

1885
01:29:38,689 --> 01:29:36,239
and um I'm not sure if how has direct

1886
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:38,699
connections to the document to Davis's

1887
01:29:42,890 --> 01:29:41,040
notes but

1888
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:42,900
um well what I was going to say I I mean

1889
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:45,120
I'm am I jumping ahead here I I did my

1890
01:29:47,870 --> 01:29:46,800
own interview with someone yesterday in

1891
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:47,880
my channel

1892
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:50,400
uh a young man

1893
01:29:54,010 --> 01:29:53,040
not that young he's in his 30s but he's

1894
01:29:56,689 --> 01:29:54,020
uh

1895
01:29:58,610 --> 01:29:56,699
Anonymous still so he's got a a

1896
01:30:01,729 --> 01:29:58,620
pseudonym

1897
01:30:04,930 --> 01:30:01,739
Omega point and his his co-author is uh

1898
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:04,940
the Hermetic penetrator

1899
01:30:10,669 --> 01:30:07,440
I mean hey why not have some fun right

1900
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:10,679
so what what they did is

1901
01:30:17,090 --> 01:30:14,000
in my opinion an outstanding I mean

1902
01:30:19,610 --> 01:30:17,100
outstanding bit of research here someone

1903
01:30:22,430 --> 01:30:19,620
on my website actually complained to me

1904
01:30:24,410 --> 01:30:22,440
about the fact that this this uh man's

1905
01:30:26,030 --> 01:30:24,420
Anonymous he said well I don't know if I

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can believe someone is anonymous I said

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look

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the uh his identities are relevant it's

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all about the work the research that

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went into this paper that is all that

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01:30:39,470 --> 01:30:36,719
matters here and who can blame someone

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for not wanting their name to come out

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in the UFO Community this can be there

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01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:44,340
can be some vicious vicious nasty people

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01:30:47,090 --> 01:30:46,199
especially in Twitter where these guys

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hang out

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I wouldn't want my name out there I'd

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tell you right right but anyway so the

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work that they did they they did a study

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of deep study of the Davis Wilson notes

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they did the Deep study of the oak

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Shannon notes of the Jack Houck notes of

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01:31:05,209 --> 01:31:03,420
uh a couple of foia documents one

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01:31:06,770 --> 01:31:05,219
particular one that they got off The

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Black Vault

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from 1984 and a bunch of books and

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interviews that they just picked through

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uh statements by valet and by Eric Davis

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and by puttoff and John Alexander and

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and what they did is they just they they

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01:31:26,209 --> 01:31:24,120
you could say they painted a picture a

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really detailed picture

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I I I'm not as good at explaining this

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01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:35,820
whole thing but how everything really

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01:31:40,490 --> 01:31:39,120
transformed in the year 1985 actually so

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01:31:42,110 --> 01:31:40,500
that was the year that the remote

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01:31:43,610 --> 01:31:42,120
viewing program ended at Stanford

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01:31:46,189 --> 01:31:43,620
Research Institute

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01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:46,199
uh at the instigation or at least with

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01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:48,480
the foreknowledge of Kit green I didn't

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01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:50,280
know this in advance they figured all

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this stuff out

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and uh

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01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:55,080
and that's when Hal putoff left that to

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start the institute for advanced study

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at Austin that's the year that John

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Alexander organized the advanced

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theoretical physics working group at the

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BDM building in McLean Virginia and uh

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with all of his what they basically

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01:32:13,250 --> 01:32:10,620
argued is that that group that Alexander

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started and in a sense was kind of The

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Germ of

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of so much that's followed since

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including nid's uh Bigelow's National

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Institute for Discovery Science

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including

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um even even atip and OSAP I I think

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that they I mean some of what they say

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is a bit speculative but I think it's

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01:32:37,729 --> 01:32:35,820
very well done

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and um

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well here's the yeah I just like it was

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a good interview yeah let's let's pick

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this up when we come back because uh for

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me

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01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:50,000
um uh the the contents of the notes uh

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confirm you know 1985 1980 if you have

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the uh the clearance paperwork to get

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01:33:02,090 --> 01:32:58,800
into BDM you have the map of of where

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01:33:05,649 --> 01:33:02,100
that is and the notes all line up nicely

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uh Jackson and Oaks uh for sure but

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01:33:10,490 --> 01:33:08,760
that's that's cool

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01:33:12,610 --> 01:33:10,500
um what they said about remote viewing

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01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:12,620
was actually mind-blowing

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01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:17,460
for me it was the way Oak said well you

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01:33:21,290 --> 01:33:19,260
know I'm talking to Eric Davis

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01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:21,300
you know and I and I'm talking to Wilson

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01:33:25,490 --> 01:33:23,580
and I'm saying hey this guy yeah well

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01:33:29,689 --> 01:33:25,500
you need to talk yeah okay well let's go

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it's it's like Verbatim what was in the

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Wilson Davis document yes yes yes you

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know and I think that is critical here

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let's uh let's take our break this is

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Fade to blocker Guess The One and Only

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Richard I said it I dropped an F-bomb

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earlier everybody's all excited you did

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yeah did for you Jimmy it's a great word

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we'll be right back after the show break

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way out here we listened to Jimmy Church

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Networks you're listening to Jimmy

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church this is Revolution the revolution

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01:40:01,610 --> 01:39:59,699
Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

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host Jimmy Church there he is

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the one and only hey hey Richard you

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01:40:10,729 --> 01:40:08,340
know uh before the break

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I had mentioned and I and I and I really

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01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:11,820
mean this

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01:40:16,370 --> 01:40:13,920
when uh you know

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01:40:19,250 --> 01:40:16,380
talk about that that MJ 12 list right

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01:40:20,590 --> 01:40:19,260
the you know the mj-12 the list of the

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guy

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we've you know up until Wilson Davis

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we've never really had one of these

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personalities step forward and go yeah

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01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:33,300
okay that that you know and you see Oak

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01:40:40,430 --> 01:40:36,480
Shannon's name in Wilson's you know in

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01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:40,440
the documents you know who guy and uh

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01:40:43,729 --> 01:40:42,239
and you had pointed out his name from

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01:40:45,410 --> 01:40:43,739
the first day when you and I got the

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01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:45,420
documents right we had that phone call

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01:40:50,270 --> 01:40:47,760
it was you that brought up Oak Shannon

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to me and I I faked my way through it

2129
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,040
yeah old Shannon sure well I I brought

2130
01:40:58,669 --> 01:40:55,440
it up because uh I had talked with Grant

2131
01:41:00,350 --> 01:40:58,679
Cameron before that Brian and Grant was

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01:41:02,689 --> 01:41:00,360
actually the one who was really on top

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01:41:04,970 --> 01:41:02,699
of what okay who was sitting on the who

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01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:04,980
was sitting on his notes for you know 20

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years okay Grant knew it and Grant said

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01:41:10,610 --> 01:41:09,120
as soon as I saw Oak Shannon notes he

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said I knew this was real

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01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:14,820
and and my point is finally right we

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01:41:19,550 --> 01:41:17,520
actually have Eric Davis hasn't stepped

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01:41:21,950 --> 01:41:19,560
up and talked about this yet a little

2141
01:41:23,870 --> 01:41:21,960
bit a little bit on on that interview

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01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:23,880
from the basement office that was that

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01:41:28,850 --> 01:41:26,159
was taken off the internet yeah yeah so

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01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:28,860
there if you know Wilson

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01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:31,679
um had his comments with uh that

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01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:33,840
journalist what was his name Riley Cox

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01:41:39,290 --> 01:41:37,679
yeah Billy Cox and and so but this is

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01:41:40,669 --> 01:41:39,300
like the first time where we've had

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01:41:43,010 --> 01:41:40,679
somebody like go on the record and go

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01:41:45,910 --> 01:41:43,020
yeah this these conference this this

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01:41:49,810 --> 01:41:45,920
actually went down I I find it to be

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01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:49,820
extreme like extraordinary extraordinary

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01:41:54,050 --> 01:41:52,560
to have this kind of development uh

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01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:54,060
surface

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01:42:01,790 --> 01:41:58,800
yes it is and let us not forget what

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01:42:03,649 --> 01:42:01,800
this all means because this is why these

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01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:03,659
notes are so important

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01:42:08,510 --> 01:42:06,000
the notes are important because here you

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01:42:10,669 --> 01:42:08,520
have an interview 20 years ago actually

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01:42:13,490 --> 01:42:10,679
last month listed 20-year

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01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:13,500
anniversary when Davis wrote those but

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01:42:18,770 --> 01:42:16,560
you have a a brilliant let's say almost

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01:42:22,430 --> 01:42:18,780
genius level scientist interviewing a

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retired Admiral who was uh head of

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intelligence for The Joint Chiefs of

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Staff

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01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:26,280
and that's an interesting conversation

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01:42:33,550 --> 01:42:30,239
and and clearly this is something that

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that entire crowd of people Davis

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kid green

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John Alexander

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all the all the nibs people the Bigelow

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people

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they all knew about this because because

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of Edgar Mitchell

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Edgar Mitchell was with Greer in 97 they

2177
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:50,820
meet with Wilson

2178
01:42:56,750 --> 01:42:54,239
and and because Edgar Mitchell was Edgar

2179
01:42:59,209 --> 01:42:56,760
Mitchell a famous astronaut from Apollo

2180
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:59,219
14. he had he had certain information

2181
01:43:04,010 --> 01:43:01,679
that would come to him and he

2182
01:43:06,830 --> 01:43:04,020
learned not from Greer but from will

2183
01:43:08,209 --> 01:43:06,840
Miller who was the other guy there Navy

2184
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:08,219
man

2185
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:11,520
that Wilson was denied access several

2186
01:43:16,970 --> 01:43:13,199
months later Mitchell got all of this

2187
01:43:19,970 --> 01:43:16,980
that way and he of course he reported it

2188
01:43:21,890 --> 01:43:19,980
to his his colleagues and mids they were

2189
01:43:24,649 --> 01:43:21,900
all very tight in those days in the late

2190
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:24,659
90s and so Davis knew about a puttov

2191
01:43:28,430 --> 01:43:26,639
knew and so the these guys are just

2192
01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:28,440
waiting for an opportunity to talk to

2193
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,900
Wilson that's obvious now what was

2194
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:32,639
interesting in the oak Shannon interview

2195
01:43:36,770 --> 01:43:34,800
that was with Jay at Project Unity and I

2196
01:43:41,090 --> 01:43:36,780
really like Jay

2197
01:43:44,990 --> 01:43:41,100
um he did a great interview and and um

2198
01:43:46,189 --> 01:43:45,000
he got Oak Shannon to describe discussed

2199
01:43:48,050 --> 01:43:46,199
when

2200
01:43:49,609 --> 01:43:48,060
he was communicating with Wilson about

2201
01:43:52,729 --> 01:43:49,619
all this and it was quite a bit earlier

2202
01:43:55,970 --> 01:43:52,739
than we had thought so you know Jay is

2203
01:43:58,609 --> 01:43:55,980
wondering is 2 000 maybe 2001 and

2204
01:44:01,490 --> 01:43:58,619
Shannon's like no it's 1999. it was

2205
01:44:03,890 --> 01:44:01,500
really early and he's connecting Davis

2206
01:44:06,109 --> 01:44:03,900
to Wilson and Wilson wants to know

2207
01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:06,119
Davis's bonafide's can I trust this guy

2208
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:08,340
or not and so forth

2209
01:44:13,609 --> 01:44:11,280
so all of that was really really very

2210
01:44:14,689 --> 01:44:13,619
interesting and but here's here's why it

2211
01:44:17,090 --> 01:44:14,699
all matters

2212
01:44:19,250 --> 01:44:17,100
you have

2213
01:44:20,570 --> 01:44:19,260
this guy was at the time he was Deputy

2214
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:20,580
Chief of intelligence of The Joint

2215
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:23,520
Chiefs and as far as everything he knew

2216
01:44:31,490 --> 01:44:28,800
in 1997 his job part of his job involved

2217
01:44:34,910 --> 01:44:31,500
overseeing special access programs out

2218
01:44:37,570 --> 01:44:34,920
of the Pentagon and the money

2219
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:37,580
yeah well right yeah

2220
01:44:42,109 --> 01:44:40,320
over overseeing that's right actually

2221
01:44:44,450 --> 01:44:42,119
yeah when you say the money overseeing

2222
01:44:47,450 --> 01:44:44,460
the spending making sure everything was

2223
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:47,460
legit and so forth or at least Legit by

2224
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:49,500
Pentagon standards who knows but he's

2225
01:44:54,290 --> 01:44:51,600
supposed to oversee that so here comes

2226
01:44:57,070 --> 01:44:54,300
Greer Mitchell Miller a few other folks

2227
01:45:00,410 --> 01:44:57,080
they come in to talk with Wilson

2228
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:00,420
and and they're like and Greer you know

2229
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:03,920
apparently had code names project names

2230
01:45:10,669 --> 01:45:07,440
nro programs and all of these things he

2231
01:45:12,290 --> 01:45:10,679
said basically the um I mean Greer would

2232
01:45:13,609 --> 01:45:12,300
give a better description of this than I

2233
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,619
can but

2234
01:45:17,629 --> 01:45:15,840
there are rogue there's a rogue black

2235
01:45:19,729 --> 01:45:17,639
budget special access program dealing

2236
01:45:21,950 --> 01:45:19,739
with UFO ET alien Tech

2237
01:45:23,629 --> 01:45:21,960
it's Rogue he said

2238
01:45:25,729 --> 01:45:23,639
and

2239
01:45:28,430 --> 01:45:25,739
let's see if you can get control of it

2240
01:45:30,530 --> 01:45:28,440
for for America for the people you know

2241
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:30,540
whatever pitch he made and so Wilson

2242
01:45:35,330 --> 01:45:33,119
goes on this this Chase for the next few

2243
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:35,340
months and he you know we know the story

2244
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:36,960
it's all in the notes he gets the right

2245
01:45:41,870 --> 01:45:40,080
access the implications so so here's

2246
01:45:45,410 --> 01:45:41,880
here last thing I want to say so now

2247
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,420
we're fast forward to 2021 2022 and you

2248
01:45:49,129 --> 01:45:47,280
got the Pentagon doing their UAP task

2249
01:45:51,950 --> 01:45:49,139
force reports

2250
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:51,960
but the real deal the real information

2251
01:45:58,729 --> 01:45:54,719
the real problem is what Wilson

2252
01:46:03,290 --> 01:45:58,739
encountered it's so secrecy so do we

2253
01:46:05,330 --> 01:46:03,300
because of uh Oak Shannon

2254
01:46:07,310 --> 01:46:05,340
um and and his statements about the

2255
01:46:10,250 --> 01:46:07,320
conversation with him and Wilson and

2256
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:10,260
Eric Davis and and the the notes and

2257
01:46:17,689 --> 01:46:13,679
Jack hauck's notes then do we

2258
01:46:21,890 --> 01:46:17,699
take the notes at face value and the

2259
01:46:23,689 --> 01:46:21,900
comments that Wilson makes about we're

2260
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:23,699
going to say it's Lockheed you know

2261
01:46:28,490 --> 01:46:25,920
comes out and meets with the three right

2262
01:46:31,250 --> 01:46:28,500
the security the lawyer and and and and

2263
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:31,260
they go okay you know what

2264
01:46:38,450 --> 01:46:35,280
it's aliens right that's a that's a

2265
01:46:42,890 --> 01:46:38,460
pretty dramatic moment in the Wilson

2266
01:46:44,109 --> 01:46:42,900
Davis notes when they turn to Davis uh

2267
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:44,119
uh Wilson

2268
01:46:49,790 --> 01:46:47,040
you can cry all you want we don't give a

2269
01:46:51,470 --> 01:46:49,800
[\h__\h] as a matter of fact well see shifts

2270
01:46:54,109 --> 01:46:51,480
the word I wanted to say earlier Yeah

2271
01:46:56,270 --> 01:46:54,119
well yeah okay let's let's just go but

2272
01:47:00,649 --> 01:46:56,280
here's the thing they said go back to

2273
01:47:03,290 --> 01:47:00,659
Washington cry yell scream it ain't

2274
01:47:06,590 --> 01:47:03,300
gonna matter we don't care and then will

2275
01:47:08,990 --> 01:47:06,600
uh Wilson says so I did just that I went

2276
01:47:10,910 --> 01:47:09,000
back to Washington I yelled I screamed

2277
01:47:12,649 --> 01:47:10,920
and they told me it's none of my

2278
01:47:14,990 --> 01:47:12,659
business they threatened him with his

2279
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:15,000
career do we take all of that at face

2280
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,760
value now yes yes

2281
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,440
why the hell would Wilson be lying to

2282
01:47:23,390 --> 01:47:21,360
Davis about that yeah right it makes no

2283
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:23,400
sense I mean there's things that you

2284
01:47:26,090 --> 01:47:24,960
could see him withholding from Davis

2285
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:26,100
sure

2286
01:47:37,129 --> 01:47:34,560
spoke to

2287
01:47:38,450 --> 01:47:37,139
would agree that Wilson might have held

2288
01:47:39,530 --> 01:47:38,460
a few things back but that doesn't mean

2289
01:47:41,570 --> 01:47:39,540
that he was being fundamentally

2290
01:47:43,090 --> 01:47:41,580
dishonest no I think Wilson was telling

2291
01:47:45,649 --> 01:47:43,100
a true story there

2292
01:47:47,810 --> 01:47:45,659
so uh yeah of course you want to take it

2293
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:47,820
as it as truth

2294
01:47:53,390 --> 01:47:51,119
what is the there's no argument for for

2295
01:47:56,030 --> 01:47:53,400
seeing this as a as as fake in any way

2296
01:47:57,649 --> 01:47:56,040
anyone who's saying that now they really

2297
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,659
need to ask themselves some serious

2298
01:48:03,470 --> 01:47:59,280
questions as to what they're doing in

2299
01:48:06,350 --> 01:48:03,480
this field like why we're long past the

2300
01:48:08,930 --> 01:48:06,360
point of debating the authenticity of

2301
01:48:12,109 --> 01:48:08,940
these notes and Wilson's doing exactly

2302
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:12,119
what he said in the notes he would do if

2303
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:15,119
it got out he would deny yes I would

2304
01:48:17,870 --> 01:48:16,320
deny it I'm not going to talk to any of

2305
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:17,880
you people like that's what he said in

2306
01:48:20,450 --> 01:48:19,440
the notes that's exactly what he has

2307
01:48:22,669 --> 01:48:20,460
done

2308
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:22,679
and then you get these these so-called

2309
01:48:25,550 --> 01:48:23,760
journalists I'm not even going to

2310
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:25,560
mention names you mentioned one of them

2311
01:48:31,070 --> 01:48:28,080
earlier it's like you know do your job

2312
01:48:32,930 --> 01:48:31,080
just do your job as a journalist and

2313
01:48:34,910 --> 01:48:32,940
don't just kiss the ass of the guy

2314
01:48:37,310 --> 01:48:34,920
you're interviewing because he's a he's

2315
01:48:39,530 --> 01:48:37,320
a former he's an admiral and you know

2316
01:48:42,590 --> 01:48:39,540
actually use some critical thinking here

2317
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,600
and let's let's piece this together and

2318
01:48:46,370 --> 01:48:44,159
use some logic

2319
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:46,380
but no there's people who just refuse to

2320
01:48:52,850 --> 01:48:49,440
do this yeah yeah I I you're right and

2321
01:48:54,530 --> 01:48:52,860
hindsight no hindsight no but I'm saying

2322
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:54,540
it now we have all these things that

2323
01:48:58,970 --> 01:48:55,920
support it

2324
01:49:03,470 --> 01:48:58,980
um but uh I I think that including

2325
01:49:05,930 --> 01:49:03,480
myself I try to not dip my toe too far

2326
01:49:08,330 --> 01:49:05,940
into the water I did I don't I don't

2327
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:08,340
want to go there and and the Wilson

2328
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:10,560
Davis documents even from the beginning

2329
01:49:15,229 --> 01:49:12,960
I remember when you and I were reading

2330
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:15,239
that first night on the phone right and

2331
01:49:21,530 --> 01:49:18,000
we were going through page for page it

2332
01:49:24,410 --> 01:49:21,540
was it was too good I mean it was just

2333
01:49:27,050 --> 01:49:24,420
like I had I had an advantage over you

2334
01:49:30,669 --> 01:49:27,060
which is that I was shown several pages

2335
01:49:36,350 --> 01:49:33,590
you talked about on this show and I I

2336
01:49:38,750 --> 01:49:36,360
did several months before yeah before

2337
01:49:41,450 --> 01:49:38,760
they came yeah that was amazing

2338
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:41,460
and you know it's funny because that was

2339
01:49:47,330 --> 01:49:44,639
in uh the end of December of 2018 I

2340
01:49:50,510 --> 01:49:47,340
think when I was on your program at that

2341
01:49:52,430 --> 01:49:50,520
time and you said Richard what's the is

2342
01:49:54,890 --> 01:49:52,440
there one thing that you've discovered

2343
01:49:57,050 --> 01:49:54,900
that you haven't told the world yet give

2344
01:49:59,390 --> 01:49:57,060
me the secret what's the one thing that

2345
01:50:02,870 --> 01:49:59,400
and and uh I had talked about the Wilson

2346
01:50:04,850 --> 01:50:02,880
meeting many many times many times but

2347
01:50:07,129 --> 01:50:04,860
the one thing I had always held back and

2348
01:50:09,169 --> 01:50:07,139
this was really as a personal favor to

2349
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,179
the man who showed me the document

2350
01:50:13,729 --> 01:50:11,520
uh I never said that I actually held a

2351
01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:13,739
piece of paper in my hand and read these

2352
01:50:16,910 --> 01:50:14,820
notes

2353
01:50:19,129 --> 01:50:16,920
that talked about you know this

2354
01:50:21,530 --> 01:50:19,139
interview with Thomas Wilson

2355
01:50:24,169 --> 01:50:21,540
um yeah that that I never discussed

2356
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:24,179
until I mentioned it with you but um

2357
01:50:29,570 --> 01:50:26,400
what was it oh so my advantage was yeah

2358
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:29,580
I was shown several pages of those notes

2359
01:50:33,530 --> 01:50:30,960
by

2360
01:50:35,689 --> 01:50:33,540
oh someone very very very very very very

2361
01:50:38,330 --> 01:50:35,699
very close

2362
01:50:40,490 --> 01:50:38,340
to the scene that's and all I can say is

2363
01:50:43,550 --> 01:50:40,500
all I've ever been saying I'm not giving

2364
01:50:45,530 --> 01:50:43,560
up his name you know I begged I I

2365
01:50:47,330 --> 01:50:45,540
literally begged him

2366
01:50:50,330 --> 01:50:47,340
when the notes came out

2367
01:50:53,689 --> 01:50:50,340
I said can I please use your name I

2368
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:53,699
remember when um uh I have a hotel so

2369
01:50:58,850 --> 01:50:55,920
Richard everyone was getting all over my

2370
01:51:00,649 --> 01:50:58,860
case Richard Richard drops this we're on

2371
01:51:04,370 --> 01:51:00,659
the phone and he goes church I swear to

2372
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:04,380
God I will no man it's it's cool it's

2373
01:51:09,770 --> 01:51:06,960
cool but yeah it's

2374
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:09,780
um I took I took more heat than I

2375
01:51:14,810 --> 01:51:11,760
thought I mean I was really surprised

2376
01:51:16,669 --> 01:51:14,820
Now by some people who just said that's

2377
01:51:18,830 --> 01:51:16,679
a fake we are an idiot for believing I'm

2378
01:51:23,330 --> 01:51:18,840
like what that was what I I did not

2379
01:51:26,930 --> 01:51:23,340
expect that why why don't we have

2380
01:51:30,290 --> 01:51:26,940
um uh people in this circle and I'm

2381
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:30,300
going to go down the list uh uh Eric

2382
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,040
Davis uh Admiral Wilson kit green uh

2383
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:37,199
halput off

2384
01:51:43,370 --> 01:51:40,080
um uh Greer's already out there his name

2385
01:51:46,669 --> 01:51:43,380
is in the document but um this certain

2386
01:51:49,010 --> 01:51:46,679
why aren't they uh you know it's almost

2387
01:51:51,290 --> 01:51:49,020
like a deathbed confession now they're

2388
01:51:53,570 --> 01:51:51,300
getting up there in the years yeah what

2389
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:53,580
I mean what does it matter why why not

2390
01:51:57,290 --> 01:51:56,159
just go on the record now no well all

2391
01:51:59,810 --> 01:51:57,300
right look at

2392
01:52:01,790 --> 01:51:59,820
Davis put off green right off the bat

2393
01:52:03,470 --> 01:52:01,800
you've got guys with intense security

2394
01:52:05,450 --> 01:52:03,480
clearances

2395
01:52:08,030 --> 01:52:05,460
and and they just can't

2396
01:52:08,930 --> 01:52:08,040
they can't

2397
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,940
um

2398
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:10,639
without

2399
01:52:14,990 --> 01:52:12,960
blowing their own game

2400
01:52:16,609 --> 01:52:15,000
all of these guys and this this was

2401
01:52:18,050 --> 01:52:16,619
again the interview that I I did with

2402
01:52:21,290 --> 01:52:18,060
this really

2403
01:52:23,149 --> 01:52:21,300
um brilliant young man yes last night

2404
01:52:24,649 --> 01:52:23,159
um they're all trying to get to the

2405
01:52:27,530 --> 01:52:24,659
center of the labyrinth that's that's

2406
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:27,540
their whole mission they they know a lot

2407
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:30,480
they have known a lot about UFOs for

2408
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:32,880
years they have known that it's real

2409
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,760
they're here you can argue about who

2410
01:52:41,689 --> 01:52:37,920
they are but these guys have known all

2411
01:52:44,990 --> 01:52:41,699
of that and and they've had uh access to

2412
01:52:47,590 --> 01:52:45,000
some information but they have not in my

2413
01:52:50,510 --> 01:52:47,600
opinion they have not had the access

2414
01:52:52,010 --> 01:52:50,520
they want they want everything they want

2415
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:52,020
to get to the center of the labyrinth

2416
01:52:55,070 --> 01:52:53,520
and they're not there

2417
01:52:56,209 --> 01:52:55,080
and so

2418
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:56,219
and

2419
01:53:02,689 --> 01:53:01,440
hope for maybe maybe some of them still

2420
01:53:03,470 --> 01:53:02,699
have this hope that they're going to get

2421
01:53:05,930 --> 01:53:03,480
there

2422
01:53:07,310 --> 01:53:05,940
and they're not going to blow their

2423
01:53:09,890 --> 01:53:07,320
credibility

2424
01:53:12,830 --> 01:53:09,900
by you know they're not here to impress

2425
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:12,840
you and me and listeners they're they're

2426
01:53:16,850 --> 01:53:14,880
trying to impress their people in the

2427
01:53:19,090 --> 01:53:16,860
classified world people with you know

2428
01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:19,100
tssci clearances and

2429
01:53:23,390 --> 01:53:21,900
and uh that's that's their crowd that's

2430
01:53:26,270 --> 01:53:23,400
their market so they're not going to

2431
01:53:29,930 --> 01:53:26,280
blow it same with Wilson well Wilson

2432
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:29,940
it's a code it's a code Wilson was at

2433
01:53:35,689 --> 01:53:31,760
the table

2434
01:53:37,609 --> 01:53:35,699
with Lockheed and when they do the you

2435
01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:37,619
know the disclosure and they they

2436
01:53:44,090 --> 01:53:40,560
literally say to him if we take this at

2437
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:44,100
face value right they say we've got a

2438
01:53:50,750 --> 01:53:47,040
craft as a matter of fact we think it

2439
01:53:54,290 --> 01:53:50,760
can fly yeah it I mean now Wilson is

2440
01:53:56,510 --> 01:53:54,300
right there man he now do you think that

2441
01:53:58,910 --> 01:53:56,520
they were going to show him the craft do

2442
01:54:01,910 --> 01:53:58,920
you think that he saw it's not in the

2443
01:54:04,990 --> 01:54:01,920
documents but it's kind of implied that

2444
01:54:09,530 --> 01:54:05,000
they were okay with because they said

2445
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:09,540
another Pentagon investigator right they

2446
01:54:13,550 --> 01:54:11,520
showed him the question right and said

2447
01:54:15,950 --> 01:54:13,560
that in this in the in the notes right

2448
01:54:17,629 --> 01:54:15,960
yeah maybe actually

2449
01:54:20,209 --> 01:54:17,639
um maybe they showed Wilson and he just

2450
01:54:22,189 --> 01:54:20,219
didn't want to tell that to Davis sure

2451
01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:22,199
because it means it seems like that's

2452
01:54:27,709 --> 01:54:24,480
where Wilson was going there there are

2453
01:54:30,530 --> 01:54:27,719
rumors I mean one rumor came to me uh

2454
01:54:33,050 --> 01:54:30,540
not long ago about someone

2455
01:54:34,250 --> 01:54:33,060
that the world knows who may have seen a

2456
01:54:35,570 --> 01:54:34,260
craft

2457
01:54:37,729 --> 01:54:35,580
came out

2458
01:54:41,330 --> 01:54:37,739
and um

2459
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:41,340
I think it probably is true so uh you

2460
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:42,960
know and and the the crap that's

2461
01:54:47,689 --> 01:54:44,880
described in the notes

2462
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,699
uh it was described as intact and they

2463
01:54:51,649 --> 01:54:49,199
think they could fly that's the Kingman

2464
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:51,659
craft who who told you there was a craft

2465
01:55:03,530 --> 01:54:59,330
well I think Greer put it out

2466
01:55:03,540 --> 01:55:07,430
I don't want to say it

2467
01:55:13,490 --> 01:55:09,410
why not

2468
01:55:15,490 --> 01:55:13,500
well the rumor it's a rumor okay

2469
01:55:19,310 --> 01:55:15,500
no I'm not doing it

2470
01:55:21,530 --> 01:55:19,320
Richard yeah nope nope you two gets

2471
01:55:24,649 --> 01:55:21,540
right to the edge like London's to the

2472
01:55:26,030 --> 01:55:24,659
Sea and then said don't that's bad well

2473
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:26,040
sorry

2474
01:55:31,370 --> 01:55:30,000
okay type it and type it in the private

2475
01:55:33,590 --> 01:55:31,380
chat

2476
01:55:36,910 --> 01:55:33,600
I'll keep it a secret I will do that

2477
01:55:39,050 --> 01:55:36,920
right now right there we go private chat

2478
01:55:40,970 --> 01:55:39,060
I almost went into comments they say

2479
01:55:42,290 --> 01:55:40,980
this a whole time comment in the

2480
01:55:44,330 --> 01:55:42,300
comments don't do it in the comments do

2481
01:55:49,070 --> 01:55:44,340
it in the private chat

2482
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:49,080
just just right there you got it boom

2483
01:55:56,090 --> 01:55:54,000
oh oh oh okay all right yeah I think

2484
01:56:00,410 --> 01:55:56,100
it's true I think I think you think so

2485
01:56:02,270 --> 01:56:00,420
yep uh I don't think so okay I'm gonna

2486
01:56:08,890 --> 01:56:02,280
call you tomorrow we'll have a nice long

2487
01:56:17,629 --> 01:56:13,189
we'll do the whole thing but um here's

2488
01:56:20,290 --> 01:56:17,639
now here here's the thing uh with the

2489
01:56:23,629 --> 01:56:20,300
UAP UFO report

2490
01:56:26,510 --> 01:56:23,639
it seems that and again

2491
01:56:29,570 --> 01:56:26,520
we're dealing with opinions here but a

2492
01:56:32,330 --> 01:56:29,580
lot has been uh apparent leaks about

2493
01:56:34,729 --> 01:56:32,340
this being a Chinese thing and if we go

2494
01:56:38,570 --> 01:56:34,739
back to right now hold on hold on

2495
01:56:40,609 --> 01:56:38,580
because that is in direct contrast with

2496
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:40,619
last August because we can always

2497
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:42,000
believe the Pentagon and all of these

2498
01:56:46,430 --> 01:56:43,920
types of things yeah exactly when the

2499
01:56:49,310 --> 01:56:46,440
Pentagon said it's not adversarial it's

2500
01:56:52,850 --> 01:56:49,320
not us it's not them we have this other

2501
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:52,860
bin and wouldn't that be an about face

2502
01:56:58,970 --> 01:56:56,639
from the last odni report that came out

2503
01:57:01,070 --> 01:56:58,980
and now it's going to be totally

2504
01:57:03,790 --> 01:57:01,080
different and and the blame game is

2505
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:03,800
going to go somewhere else

2506
01:57:08,930 --> 01:57:06,719
I think they're they're gearing up to uh

2507
01:57:11,470 --> 01:57:08,940
the problem with with uh blaming it on

2508
01:57:14,810 --> 01:57:11,480
China and Russia is that politically

2509
01:57:16,010 --> 01:57:14,820
this would be very explosive and and it

2510
01:57:18,830 --> 01:57:16,020
would be

2511
01:57:21,290 --> 01:57:18,840
utterly Reckless I mean even beyond the

2512
01:57:23,149 --> 01:57:21,300
recklessness the wrecking ball that the

2513
01:57:25,250 --> 01:57:23,159
United States takes to the world which

2514
01:57:27,709 --> 01:57:25,260
is global everything this could be even

2515
01:57:30,109 --> 01:57:27,719
beyond that so uh what they would do

2516
01:57:33,229 --> 01:57:30,119
though is they they play this Coy little

2517
01:57:35,450 --> 01:57:33,239
game which is talk about potential

2518
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:35,460
adversaries and you know kind of drop

2519
01:57:38,810 --> 01:57:36,960
these hints that maybe it's the Chinese

2520
01:57:39,770 --> 01:57:38,820
and the Russians they can't say it

2521
01:57:41,450 --> 01:57:39,780
openly

2522
01:57:44,390 --> 01:57:41,460
because hey it's not the Chinese and

2523
01:57:46,669 --> 01:57:44,400
Russians it is not does anyone think the

2524
01:57:49,850 --> 01:57:46,679
Tic Tac in 2004 was the Chinese and

2525
01:57:52,310 --> 01:57:49,860
Russians no no not a chance no not

2526
01:57:55,310 --> 01:57:52,320
period a period chance period not at all

2527
01:57:57,950 --> 01:57:55,320
and so now you've got you know the um

2528
01:58:00,470 --> 01:57:57,960
got the situation of the Roosevelt in

2529
01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:00,480
2014 2015 off the east coast you could

2530
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:03,599
say uh maybe seriously doubt it not the

2531
01:58:08,750 --> 01:58:06,480
Russians not in 2014 no no way there was

2532
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:08,760
too much going on in other parts in

2533
01:58:11,810 --> 01:58:10,560
Syria and Crimea it's like they're going

2534
01:58:16,189 --> 01:58:11,820
to be playing games over the eastern

2535
01:58:18,229 --> 01:58:16,199
coast of the US for daily for like nine

2536
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:18,239
months if you you know the uh the

2537
01:58:22,430 --> 01:58:20,159
article that Leslie came around

2538
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:22,440
Blumenthal wrote stated that from the

2539
01:58:28,189 --> 01:58:24,800
summer of 2014 to the spring of 2015.

2540
01:58:31,129 --> 01:58:28,199
there were nearly daily encounters with

2541
01:58:32,930 --> 01:58:31,139
UAP by the Roosevelt and it's other

2542
01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:32,940
ships with it

2543
01:58:37,790 --> 01:58:35,040
so that's a lot of sightings that's like

2544
01:58:39,890 --> 01:58:37,800
200 sightings maybe or maybe more it's

2545
01:58:42,109 --> 01:58:39,900
not the Russians and not the Chinese

2546
01:58:44,390 --> 01:58:42,119
what are the Chinese you got to look at

2547
01:58:45,830 --> 01:58:44,400
the map look at a globe China's

2548
01:58:48,050 --> 01:58:45,840
literally on the opposite end of the

2549
01:58:50,750 --> 01:58:48,060
world they have they are developing a

2550
01:58:53,450 --> 01:58:50,760
big Navy in 2014 their Navy wasn't what

2551
01:58:55,729 --> 01:58:53,460
it is today did they have true Global

2552
01:58:57,050 --> 01:58:55,739
reach to go to the opposite end of the

2553
01:58:59,510 --> 01:58:57,060
world and to go right up to the U.S

2554
01:59:02,689 --> 01:58:59,520
coastline and barely names of the US

2555
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:02,699
warships they barely make it to Taiwan I

2556
01:59:07,490 --> 01:59:06,000
mean back then back then so so right

2557
01:59:10,370 --> 01:59:07,500
it's not the Chinese it's not the

2558
01:59:12,109 --> 01:59:10,380
Russians and everyone knows this but

2559
01:59:14,629 --> 01:59:12,119
they play this little game of pretend

2560
01:59:17,330 --> 01:59:14,639
like oh well it's maybe it's a foreign

2561
01:59:19,010 --> 01:59:17,340
adversary and meanwhile we have all the

2562
01:59:22,609 --> 01:59:19,020
reality that we know from what happened

2563
01:59:25,609 --> 01:59:22,619
with Admiral Wilson 20 25 years ago now

2564
01:59:28,129 --> 01:59:25,619
we know what the real deal is and that

2565
01:59:30,470 --> 01:59:28,139
they have known and you know let's not

2566
01:59:35,810 --> 01:59:30,480
forget the long history of

2567
01:59:39,169 --> 01:59:35,820
crash retrieval research by by true ogs

2568
01:59:41,810 --> 01:59:39,179
like Leonard Stringfield who is one of

2569
01:59:42,830 --> 01:59:41,820
my absolute heroes in the UFO research

2570
01:59:48,229 --> 01:59:42,840
field

2571
01:59:51,169 --> 01:59:48,239
probably about a hundred or so crash

2572
01:59:53,149 --> 01:59:51,179
retrieval cases in the 1970s and 80s and

2573
01:59:56,750 --> 01:59:53,159
and when he died in the 90s

2574
01:59:59,149 --> 01:59:56,760
there's there's so much out there

2575
02:00:02,870 --> 01:59:59,159
and there is not a snowball's chance in

2576
02:00:05,030 --> 02:00:02,880
hell that the high level military people

2577
02:00:06,229 --> 02:00:05,040
who have a need to know this they know

2578
02:00:08,689 --> 02:00:06,239
this

2579
02:00:12,709 --> 02:00:08,699
Harry Reid I'm I'm quite convinced that

2580
02:00:15,589 --> 02:00:12,719
OSAP and atip were started up by by Reed

2581
02:00:17,810 --> 02:00:15,599
with Bigelow's connection because this I

2582
02:00:20,089 --> 02:00:17,820
think was a continuation

2583
02:00:22,010 --> 02:00:20,099
of of what John Alexander was trying to

2584
02:00:24,109 --> 02:00:22,020
do back in 85 that is

2585
02:00:26,390 --> 02:00:24,119
we're going to create a UFO group we're

2586
02:00:28,669 --> 02:00:26,400
going to find out where the real UFO

2587
02:00:30,169 --> 02:00:28,679
group in the Pentagon is Alexander

2588
02:00:31,790 --> 02:00:30,179
always said well there wasn't one there

2589
02:00:33,589 --> 02:00:31,800
I talked to someone else in that group

2590
02:00:35,270 --> 02:00:33,599
who said that's a load of BS there's

2591
02:00:38,870 --> 02:00:35,280
there are other groups there but anyway

2592
02:00:40,070 --> 02:00:38,880
I think this group of people has always

2593
02:00:42,410 --> 02:00:40,080
wanted

2594
02:00:44,990 --> 02:00:42,420
to get to get to the center and I I

2595
02:00:46,189 --> 02:00:45,000
think that's what atip did frankly I

2596
02:00:47,570 --> 02:00:46,199
mean there's not there's not a lot of

2597
02:00:48,890 --> 02:00:47,580
money in there what else are they going

2598
02:00:50,510 --> 02:00:48,900
to be doing they're they're hunting

2599
02:00:53,750 --> 02:00:50,520
around I think that's what everyone

2600
02:00:56,450 --> 02:00:53,760
wanted to do and at the same time you

2601
02:00:59,810 --> 02:00:56,460
know all of this is going on atip and

2602
02:01:01,209 --> 02:00:59,820
and and Harry Reid and and Bigelow and

2603
02:01:05,390 --> 02:01:01,219
everything else that's going on

2604
02:01:06,729 --> 02:01:05,400
meanwhile back at the ranch over here in

2605
02:01:10,970 --> 02:01:06,739
Palmdale

2606
02:01:12,589 --> 02:01:10,980
Lockheed has got a freaking craft in in

2607
02:01:15,229 --> 02:01:12,599
their Hangar that they're backwards

2608
02:01:17,930 --> 02:01:15,239
engineering it's it's like this shell

2609
02:01:20,209 --> 02:01:17,940
game right and and you know I was just

2610
02:01:21,950 --> 02:01:20,219
having a really interesting chat with

2611
02:01:24,290 --> 02:01:21,960
another gentleman that I'm I'm going to

2612
02:01:27,649 --> 02:01:24,300
be interviewing as well he's

2613
02:01:30,169 --> 02:01:27,659
old older um not old man but he's a

2614
02:01:31,790 --> 02:01:30,179
early researcher

2615
02:01:33,470 --> 02:01:31,800
uh with a lot of corporate experience

2616
02:01:34,970 --> 02:01:33,480
lots lots of corporate and government

2617
02:01:37,850 --> 02:01:34,980
experience and he said you know just

2618
02:01:40,250 --> 02:01:37,860
remember it doesn't stop at Lockheed

2619
02:01:42,770 --> 02:01:40,260
as Lockheed has her own contractors

2620
02:01:45,530 --> 02:01:42,780
they had tons of subcontractors to do

2621
02:01:46,430 --> 02:01:45,540
their work for them and on and on it

2622
02:01:48,229 --> 02:01:46,440
goes

2623
02:01:51,229 --> 02:01:48,239
and he said yeah just think about it

2624
02:01:53,629 --> 02:01:51,239
they got a craft story somewhere

2625
02:01:54,950 --> 02:01:53,639
um in a hangar you hire you can hire a

2626
02:01:56,990 --> 02:01:54,960
contracting company and you just tell

2627
02:01:58,490 --> 02:01:57,000
the security people top level

2628
02:02:00,229 --> 02:01:58,500
you are not to go in this building you

2629
02:02:01,550 --> 02:02:00,239
want to guard it and these guys don't

2630
02:02:03,010 --> 02:02:01,560
know what they're guarding

2631
02:02:06,169 --> 02:02:03,020
there's there's

2632
02:02:08,870 --> 02:02:06,179
lots and lots of ways to have layer upon

2633
02:02:11,270 --> 02:02:08,880
layer of secrecy in this and it it

2634
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:11,280
wouldn't stop with Lockheed

2635
02:02:17,390 --> 02:02:13,440
the uh I've got to take a break right

2636
02:02:19,310 --> 02:02:17,400
here in in two weeks Richard this is can

2637
02:02:22,729 --> 02:02:19,320
you keep a secret can you keep well you

2638
02:02:24,530 --> 02:02:22,739
know what you can in two weeks December

2639
02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:24,540
2nd

2640
02:02:33,070 --> 02:02:27,679
they're going to reveal the new B-21

2641
02:02:36,410 --> 02:02:33,080
stealth bomber they have built six

2642
02:02:39,410 --> 02:02:36,420
right six the reveal is going to happen

2643
02:02:41,270 --> 02:02:39,420
on December 2nd you haven't seen a

2644
02:02:44,510 --> 02:02:41,280
picture of it there's been nothing

2645
02:02:47,149 --> 02:02:44,520
leaked there's no information out there

2646
02:02:50,390 --> 02:02:47,159
about it there's six of them sitting two

2647
02:02:52,510 --> 02:02:50,400
miles from my house right here right

2648
02:02:54,950 --> 02:02:52,520
right down the street

2649
02:02:56,870 --> 02:02:54,960
have you seen them at all I I will not

2650
02:02:59,930 --> 02:02:56,880
comment about that on the air I'll talk

2651
02:03:01,609 --> 02:02:59,940
to you about it though well done yeah

2652
02:03:04,810 --> 02:03:01,619
I'm taking that as a yes

2653
02:03:07,970 --> 02:03:04,820
oh yeah you know what

2654
02:03:12,770 --> 02:03:07,980
just trying to get a knock on the door

2655
02:03:14,689 --> 02:03:12,780
at 2 30. this time he knows who I am and

2656
02:03:16,790 --> 02:03:14,699
what you know that they are not you're

2657
02:03:20,270 --> 02:03:16,800
screwed man it's all over I just direct

2658
02:03:23,149 --> 02:03:20,280
your career that's it I'm not uh I'm

2659
02:03:25,430 --> 02:03:23,159
just not gonna you know what uh uh

2660
02:03:28,070 --> 02:03:25,440
there's a level of trust here and I'm

2661
02:03:30,530 --> 02:03:28,080
not just I'm not gonna blab you know but

2662
02:03:33,410 --> 02:03:30,540
uh I'll talk to you tomorrow about it so

2663
02:03:36,830 --> 02:03:33,420
anyway uh let's take our break and play

2664
02:03:38,270 --> 02:03:36,840
some air guitar to your guitar Richard I

2665
02:03:41,689 --> 02:03:38,280
want to play air guitar when I hear your

2666
02:03:43,669 --> 02:03:41,699
original he got none of the things that

2667
02:03:46,970 --> 02:03:43,679
uh we talked about or not one we didn't

2668
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:46,980
get to one so just stay put and I I'm

2669
02:03:53,109 --> 02:03:49,440
going now right we're done I'm done no

2670
02:03:55,490 --> 02:03:53,119
you're not all right

2671
02:03:58,189 --> 02:03:55,500
we'll be right back this is Fade to

2672
02:04:00,290 --> 02:03:58,199
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2673
02:04:05,140 --> 02:04:00,300
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02:09:06,890 --> 02:09:04,500
Jimmy church tonight Richard

2766
02:09:10,550 --> 02:09:06,900
I'm leaving darling

2767
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:10,560
man I I got to tell you I I remember

2768
02:09:17,030 --> 02:09:14,159
um this is a quite quite a while ago

2769
02:09:18,350 --> 02:09:17,040
but I had I had said on the uh I said on

2770
02:09:20,930 --> 02:09:18,360
the show Once I said you know Richard

2771
02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:20,940
you know he's he's polite he's pragmatic

2772
02:09:26,290 --> 02:09:23,760
he speaks well for the community but get

2773
02:09:32,770 --> 02:09:26,300
him alone and he swears like a sailor

2774
02:09:39,350 --> 02:09:36,229
if you hear George Carlin talk about uh

2775
02:09:40,669 --> 02:09:39,360
the F the F-bomb yes swear words Harlan

2776
02:09:42,530 --> 02:09:40,679
he's like this is the greatest word and

2777
02:09:44,570 --> 02:09:42,540
he just went over this whole

2778
02:09:46,189 --> 02:09:44,580
this whole thing about like why it was

2779
02:09:47,629 --> 02:09:46,199
such an awesome word and it is it's like

2780
02:09:48,830 --> 02:09:47,639
it's a great word I'm not going to say

2781
02:09:50,510 --> 02:09:48,840
it here because

2782
02:09:53,089 --> 02:09:50,520
you know I'm trying to help you out yeah

2783
02:09:56,990 --> 02:09:53,099
so I was watching

2784
02:09:59,330 --> 02:09:57,000
um uh I saw a commercial today

2785
02:10:02,990 --> 02:09:59,340
um uh on the streaming so I had to I'm

2786
02:10:04,669 --> 02:10:03,000
streaming normal TV all right uh

2787
02:10:07,129 --> 02:10:04,679
Yellowstone I'll just say it right now

2788
02:10:10,370 --> 02:10:07,139
it's Paramount Paramount nowhere and so

2789
02:10:12,050 --> 02:10:10,380
I I get stuck with a TV commercial and

2790
02:10:15,410 --> 02:10:12,060
it was for

2791
02:10:16,850 --> 02:10:15,420
um one of them was for flock

2792
02:10:19,330 --> 02:10:16,860
systems

2793
02:10:22,370 --> 02:10:19,340
it's a it's a truck

2794
02:10:23,450 --> 02:10:22,380
fun already yeah yeah yeah yeah it was

2795
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:23,460
great

2796
02:10:27,669 --> 02:10:26,159
um uh a trucking company right transport

2797
02:10:31,550 --> 02:10:27,679
logistics company

2798
02:10:32,350 --> 02:10:31,560
we're flocking great

2799
02:10:50,149 --> 02:10:32,360
and

2800
02:10:52,430 --> 02:10:50,159
like this is the best commercial ever

2801
02:10:55,250 --> 02:10:52,440
this is great and they had it all

2802
02:10:58,070 --> 02:10:55,260
subtitled you know uh with uh with

2803
02:11:01,370 --> 02:10:58,080
asterisks you know and stuff back in uh

2804
02:11:04,609 --> 02:11:01,380
the 80s uh during the SNL one of their

2805
02:11:08,510 --> 02:11:04,619
Glory eras Kevin Nealon

2806
02:11:11,570 --> 02:11:08,520
you said thunkin oh yeah if you're an

2807
02:11:14,330 --> 02:11:11,580
anime remember what the funk is that or

2808
02:11:15,530 --> 02:11:14,340
something like that and and he he went

2809
02:11:20,209 --> 02:11:15,540
pretty

2810
02:11:21,669 --> 02:11:20,219
he just barely got that in there you

2811
02:11:26,229 --> 02:11:21,679
really pushed it

2812
02:11:28,609 --> 02:11:26,239
the the good place uh the TV series

2813
02:11:30,770 --> 02:11:28,619
you know they so they've got uh I

2814
02:11:33,890 --> 02:11:30,780
haven't seen that one it's awesome it's

2815
02:11:36,109 --> 02:11:33,900
awesome or what was the other um about

2816
02:11:36,770 --> 02:11:36,119
Saturday Night Live

2817
02:11:39,070 --> 02:11:36,780
um

2818
02:11:41,570 --> 02:11:39,080
sweaty balls

2819
02:11:46,750 --> 02:11:41,580
that was a good one I love that stuff

2820
02:11:50,330 --> 02:11:46,760
okay so anyway okay so two uh two

2821
02:11:52,010 --> 02:11:50,340
extremely historic events uh went down

2822
02:11:55,609 --> 02:11:52,020
this week one of them yesterday was

2823
02:11:58,250 --> 02:11:55,619
Artemis Artemis one oh yes history this

2824
02:12:00,050 --> 02:11:58,260
is like a big deal right okay so we've

2825
02:12:02,330 --> 02:12:00,060
got Artemis on its way maybe they can

2826
02:12:06,290 --> 02:12:02,340
they can fake the moon landing too it

2827
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:06,300
was okay so okay let's go there so

2828
02:12:14,390 --> 02:12:09,840
um but uh overshadowed by

2829
02:12:16,270 --> 02:12:14,400
um Artemis was the X-37B uh returning to

2830
02:12:19,609 --> 02:12:16,280
Earth after

2831
02:12:22,010 --> 02:12:19,619
908 days in orbit

2832
02:12:26,270 --> 02:12:22,020
um always completely secretive uh these

2833
02:12:28,689 --> 02:12:26,280
908 days almost three years Richard

2834
02:12:33,770 --> 02:12:28,699
three years in space

2835
02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:33,780
yeah right yeah yeah 908 days and uh

2836
02:12:39,709 --> 02:12:36,719
they never disclose anything but they

2837
02:12:41,330 --> 02:12:39,719
they they let this little thing out in

2838
02:12:45,830 --> 02:12:41,340
in the press release

2839
02:12:48,709 --> 02:12:45,840
that they one of the successful tests

2840
02:12:54,350 --> 02:12:48,719
that the X-37B did

2841
02:12:59,629 --> 02:12:54,360
was it beamed energy from space to a

2842
02:13:03,890 --> 02:12:59,639
point on Earth and they called it solar

2843
02:13:05,209 --> 02:13:03,900
solar electricity through radio waves oh

2844
02:13:07,609 --> 02:13:05,219
and didn't you you told me they were

2845
02:13:10,010 --> 02:13:07,619
using a solar panel is solar panel to

2846
02:13:12,609 --> 02:13:10,020
collect the end so let's let's go green

2847
02:13:15,729 --> 02:13:12,619
right right right right let's let's just

2848
02:13:18,709 --> 02:13:15,739
wave a little green flag awesome

2849
02:13:20,930 --> 02:13:18,719
there's nothing there's nothing military

2850
02:13:23,030 --> 02:13:20,940
that they're doing up there no no not

2851
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:23,040
military at all uh you know there was a

2852
02:13:27,709 --> 02:13:25,440
reuter story I think it was on on this

2853
02:13:28,850 --> 02:13:27,719
that said well there's some speculation

2854
02:13:30,589 --> 02:13:28,860
that there might be some military

2855
02:13:34,669 --> 02:13:30,599
missions as well as scientific I'm like

2856
02:13:38,089 --> 02:13:34,679
what what world am I living in

2857
02:13:41,870 --> 02:13:38,099
yes of course it's military yeah what

2858
02:13:43,609 --> 02:13:41,880
brilliant journalistic brain you know uh

2859
02:13:47,149 --> 02:13:43,619
I can't

2860
02:13:49,189 --> 02:13:47,159
so so let's can we unpack this uh

2861
02:13:51,050 --> 02:13:49,199
statement for a second yeah yeah let's

2862
02:13:53,450 --> 02:13:51,060
try where

2863
02:13:57,229 --> 02:13:53,460
um if we envision what we're talking

2864
02:13:59,390 --> 02:13:57,239
about here which is a space plane which

2865
02:14:02,390 --> 02:13:59,400
is orbiting so technically it's a

2866
02:14:05,810 --> 02:14:02,400
satellite right it's orbiting with a

2867
02:14:06,950 --> 02:14:05,820
solar panel collecting energy from the

2868
02:14:09,770 --> 02:14:06,960
Sun

2869
02:14:13,510 --> 02:14:09,780
and directing a beam

2870
02:14:15,770 --> 02:14:13,520
of electricity of energy back to Earth

2871
02:14:18,589 --> 02:14:15,780
that's impressive I mean I don't know

2872
02:14:20,450 --> 02:14:18,599
how much this was and you know but yeah

2873
02:14:22,189 --> 02:14:20,460
it's impressive look you know back end

2874
02:14:23,629 --> 02:14:22,199
and by the way I do think we went to the

2875
02:14:26,149 --> 02:14:23,639
moon let me just

2876
02:14:28,729 --> 02:14:26,159
say that okay you want to qualify I like

2877
02:14:30,410 --> 02:14:28,739
to goof around about I think that we

2878
02:14:32,569 --> 02:14:30,420
could say there were shenanigans on the

2879
02:14:34,850 --> 02:14:32,579
moon we can get to that but I think they

2880
02:14:38,330 --> 02:14:34,860
went anyway as far as with uh what

2881
02:14:41,810 --> 02:14:38,340
you're talking about the X the X-37B

2882
02:14:44,629 --> 02:14:41,820
so you go back 60 years to the beginning

2883
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:44,639
of the space program and

2884
02:14:48,890 --> 02:14:46,079
it was

2885
02:14:50,810 --> 02:14:48,900
an absolute dream and desire of the

2886
02:14:54,770 --> 02:14:50,820
United States to to weaponize space and

2887
02:14:57,530 --> 02:14:54,780
have like bombs from space this this was

2888
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:57,540
absolutely and the moon was a

2889
02:15:03,709 --> 02:15:00,719
strategically critically at least in the

2890
02:15:05,930 --> 02:15:03,719
early 60s it was perceived to be of

2891
02:15:08,930 --> 02:15:05,940
critical importance to control the moon

2892
02:15:10,609 --> 02:15:08,940
and to control space and actually it is

2893
02:15:14,149 --> 02:15:10,619
true about space like controlling space

2894
02:15:16,550 --> 02:15:14,159
is Paramount for any any geopolitical

2895
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:16,560
power you want to you want to invade

2896
02:15:20,750 --> 02:15:18,960
countries you want to have Smart bombs

2897
02:15:22,669 --> 02:15:20,760
and all that you've got to control space

2898
02:15:26,689 --> 02:15:22,679
because all those satellites are going

2899
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:26,699
to guide your weapons so um so what

2900
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:28,800
they're doing up with this this object I

2901
02:15:33,050 --> 02:15:30,719
don't know what the what the xb37 is

2902
02:15:34,370 --> 02:15:33,060
doing up or the x37b sorry

2903
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:34,380
I don't know what they're doing I mean

2904
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:36,960
we get no information from these guys

2905
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:40,560
two and a half years okay so

2906
02:15:48,050 --> 02:15:44,639
um does this feel like a d e w a

2907
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:48,060
directed energy weapon uh that type of

2908
02:15:54,050 --> 02:15:51,599
experiment well you know look the Dews

2909
02:15:56,390 --> 02:15:54,060
have been talked about uh in this

2910
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:56,400
community in conspiracy circles for a

2911
02:16:00,890 --> 02:15:58,800
very very long this is nothing new yeah

2912
02:16:02,990 --> 02:16:00,900
this was actually something I'm not

2913
02:16:04,310 --> 02:16:03,000
trying to take time away from this

2914
02:16:06,169 --> 02:16:04,320
interview to talk about the one I did

2915
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:06,179
last night but the gentleman I

2916
02:16:10,129 --> 02:16:07,679
interviewed yesterday talked quite a bit

2917
02:16:13,430 --> 02:16:10,139
about directed energy weapons being used

2918
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:13,440
against UFO craft at least that is their

2919
02:16:17,089 --> 02:16:15,360
speculation so it was quite interesting

2920
02:16:19,370 --> 02:16:17,099
but yeah we've got directed energy

2921
02:16:21,410 --> 02:16:19,380
weapons um

2922
02:16:23,149 --> 02:16:21,420
very I mean this is that's important

2923
02:16:25,729 --> 02:16:23,159
it's important so

2924
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:25,739
is that what this was about I don't know

2925
02:16:34,429 --> 02:16:28,079
I

2926
02:16:37,910 --> 02:16:34,439
uh the convenient thing

2927
02:16:39,650 --> 02:16:37,920
um with uh with the Dew look you have a

2928
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:39,660
satellite how do you power the satellite

2929
02:16:43,849 --> 02:16:41,280
how do you get fuel to the satellite

2930
02:16:46,669 --> 02:16:43,859
once it runs out of fuel we let it

2931
02:16:48,589 --> 02:16:46,679
tumble into the Earth and you know burn

2932
02:16:52,129 --> 02:16:48,599
up in the atmosphere

2933
02:16:54,889 --> 02:16:52,139
um we we do like Hubble you know we we

2934
02:16:57,650 --> 02:16:54,899
feel Hubble we would go up and and and

2935
02:16:59,450 --> 02:16:57,660
and and and keep it in orbit

2936
02:17:01,790 --> 02:16:59,460
um and if you could refuel or

2937
02:17:04,009 --> 02:17:01,800
re-energize remotely with the directed

2938
02:17:08,030 --> 02:17:04,019
energy beam that's that's amazing right

2939
02:17:12,530 --> 02:17:08,040
right and and not have but what if you

2940
02:17:16,190 --> 02:17:12,540
had tews that were solar powered

2941
02:17:18,110 --> 02:17:16,200
oh that that that's that I don't know

2942
02:17:20,089 --> 02:17:18,120
how much power how much energy you could

2943
02:17:22,129 --> 02:17:20,099
get out of that you'd have to

2944
02:17:23,929 --> 02:17:22,139
I mean it all comes down to how much

2945
02:17:26,089 --> 02:17:23,939
energy you can produce from a solar

2946
02:17:27,969 --> 02:17:26,099
panel out there well this is not

2947
02:17:30,770 --> 02:17:27,979
anything I know about

2948
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:30,780
me neither but if you have one of those

2949
02:17:35,810 --> 02:17:33,840
Tesla batteries that's right and you're

2950
02:17:39,110 --> 02:17:35,820
storing the power up and you're storing

2951
02:17:41,330 --> 02:17:39,120
the power up and uh conceivably yeah I I

2952
02:17:41,929 --> 02:17:41,340
really don't know

2953
02:17:43,790 --> 02:17:41,939
um

2954
02:17:45,950 --> 02:17:43,800
you know I don't know of anything that

2955
02:17:49,129 --> 02:17:45,960
produces more energy than uh than

2956
02:17:49,790 --> 02:17:49,139
nuclear reactions at the moment

2957
02:17:51,230 --> 02:17:49,800
um

2958
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:51,240
but

2959
02:17:54,830 --> 02:17:53,280
you know you've I mean we're working on

2960
02:17:57,589 --> 02:17:54,840
the Holy Grail actually having

2961
02:18:00,110 --> 02:17:57,599
controlled Fusion would be

2962
02:18:02,030 --> 02:18:00,120
amazing as far as amount of power is

2963
02:18:04,190 --> 02:18:02,040
concerned

2964
02:18:07,070 --> 02:18:04,200
um and if we can ever tap the zero point

2965
02:18:08,570 --> 02:18:07,080
who knows but solar you know I don't I

2966
02:18:10,250 --> 02:18:08,580
don't know how much power you're going

2967
02:18:12,889 --> 02:18:10,260
to get out of it I don't know solar

2968
02:18:16,190 --> 02:18:12,899
weapon you know but why test it right

2969
02:18:19,490 --> 02:18:16,200
why why test solar it's it's just that

2970
02:18:23,150 --> 02:18:19,500
the whole thing is is interesting to me

2971
02:18:25,490 --> 02:18:23,160
if if you're gonna have the X-37B uh

2972
02:18:27,410 --> 02:18:25,500
testing directed energy weapons you

2973
02:18:29,690 --> 02:18:27,420
would have a little nuclear reactor it's

2974
02:18:33,250 --> 02:18:29,700
a big it's a you know pop that on there

2975
02:18:36,290 --> 02:18:33,260
go up and fire why solar power it's it's

2976
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:36,300
two and a half years up there

2977
02:18:40,549 --> 02:18:38,399
um it's it's very interesting now here's

2978
02:18:42,950 --> 02:18:40,559
you have to assume it's working on more

2979
02:18:44,750 --> 02:18:42,960
than just solar power right you know

2980
02:18:47,209 --> 02:18:44,760
what this is see we only know it

2981
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:47,219
obviously it's got really we only know

2982
02:18:51,650 --> 02:18:48,960
what they tell us

2983
02:18:54,530 --> 02:18:51,660
um but Artemis

2984
02:18:56,870 --> 02:18:54,540
um if you want uh this is going to be a

2985
02:19:00,530 --> 02:18:56,880
moon it's a moon landing program right

2986
02:19:02,389 --> 02:19:00,540
right now Artemis if we're going to have

2987
02:19:05,150 --> 02:19:02,399
an example of a secret space program

2988
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:05,160
well you have the X-37B that's a secret

2989
02:19:09,709 --> 02:19:08,160
program right there uh the design of the

2990
02:19:11,570 --> 02:19:09,719
aircraft you have Pilots you have

2991
02:19:14,089 --> 02:19:11,580
Logistics you're launching this thing

2992
02:19:17,150 --> 02:19:14,099
you have a complete secret space program

2993
02:19:19,190 --> 02:19:17,160
supporting the X-37B and that's all

2994
02:19:21,530 --> 02:19:19,200
that's the only thing that we know about

2995
02:19:24,950 --> 02:19:21,540
right

2996
02:19:28,910 --> 02:19:24,960
um Artemis going back to the moon and

2997
02:19:30,770 --> 02:19:28,920
could there be a clandestine program

2998
02:19:33,049 --> 02:19:30,780
that's running in the background that we

2999
02:19:36,349 --> 02:19:33,059
don't know anything about

3000
02:19:38,330 --> 02:19:36,359
um Artemis going back to the Moon could

3001
02:19:40,969 --> 02:19:38,340
this be a cover

3002
02:19:44,690 --> 02:19:40,979
um originally and this is my point with

3003
02:19:47,089 --> 02:19:44,700
this the space shuttle was designed the

3004
02:19:50,210 --> 02:19:47,099
original the STS the entire program the

3005
02:19:52,969 --> 02:19:50,220
space shuttle program was to run in

3006
02:19:55,310 --> 02:19:52,979
parallel with Apollo Apollo was stopped

3007
02:19:56,929 --> 02:19:55,320
but Apollo was supposed to continue and

3008
02:19:59,090 --> 02:19:56,939
the space shuttle was designed to go

3009
02:20:00,590 --> 02:19:59,100
between the Earth and the Moon that was

3010
02:20:03,530 --> 02:20:00,600
the original you look at the original

3011
02:20:06,889 --> 02:20:03,540
Mission they had nuclear engines that

3012
02:20:09,349 --> 02:20:06,899
they were gonna put together on on the

3013
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:09,359
moon and launched to Mars that was all

3014
02:20:14,690 --> 02:20:12,240
the original programs it's it's all it's

3015
02:20:16,190 --> 02:20:14,700
all there you can read about all of it

3016
02:20:18,230 --> 02:20:16,200
um to have it I think you're on to

3017
02:20:20,810 --> 02:20:18,240
something with uh is this is this

3018
02:20:23,230 --> 02:20:20,820
Artemis a cover yes I was keep in mind a

3019
02:20:26,750 --> 02:20:23,240
couple of things first of all

3020
02:20:29,210 --> 02:20:26,760
there's so much testimony from previous

3021
02:20:32,570 --> 02:20:29,220
astronauts and cosmonauts the Russians

3022
02:20:36,110 --> 02:20:32,580
as well uh too much testimony to ignore

3023
02:20:38,750 --> 02:20:36,120
or dismiss of the fact that so many

3024
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:38,760
maybe every space mission was tracked by

3025
02:20:43,250 --> 02:20:40,560
E.T

3026
02:20:44,389 --> 02:20:43,260
um Darcy Ware is a filmmaker's friend of

3027
02:20:46,370 --> 02:20:44,399
mine I think you might you must know

3028
02:20:48,410 --> 02:20:46,380
Darcy you probably do anyway

3029
02:20:50,990 --> 02:20:48,420
uh he just did a new you know his latest

3030
02:20:52,849 --> 02:20:51,000
film is on the Gemini the Mercury and

3031
02:20:57,410 --> 02:20:52,859
Gemini missions

3032
02:20:59,150 --> 02:20:57,420
um and basically the NASA program in the

3033
02:21:00,410 --> 02:20:59,160
60s and I thought it was actually a very

3034
02:21:02,450 --> 02:21:00,420
good film

3035
02:21:05,330 --> 02:21:02,460
and he I think he made a very good case

3036
02:21:07,969 --> 02:21:05,340
that if not all of those missions and

3037
02:21:10,910 --> 02:21:07,979
most of them seem to have had some very

3038
02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:10,920
very bizarre trackings of UFOs there in

3039
02:21:16,490 --> 02:21:14,160
other words NASA knew they knew the

3040
02:21:18,230 --> 02:21:16,500
aliens would be on the moon

3041
02:21:21,530 --> 02:21:18,240
they I think they had the communication

3042
02:21:26,570 --> 02:21:21,540
Security in place to deal with that

3043
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:26,580
and they there's an entire under

3044
02:21:30,410 --> 02:21:28,560
I was gonna say underground there's an

3045
02:21:33,309 --> 02:21:30,420
entire secret infrastructure I think

3046
02:21:34,849 --> 02:21:33,319
that is dealing with the presence of

3047
02:21:37,250 --> 02:21:34,859
extraterrestrials non-human

3048
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:37,260
intelligences that are in Earth orbit

3049
02:21:41,090 --> 02:21:39,120
beyond Earth orbit on the moon and

3050
02:21:45,170 --> 02:21:41,100
probably beyond the Moon

3051
02:21:46,790 --> 02:21:45,180
so then you have to ask

3052
02:21:50,990 --> 02:21:46,800
what

3053
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:51,000
let's say the the people of earth the

3054
02:21:55,969 --> 02:21:54,000
earth governments have taken with such

3055
02:21:58,190 --> 02:21:55,979
knowledge would they have

3056
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:58,200
secret craft that would have a

3057
02:22:02,330 --> 02:22:00,479
capability of going to the Moon

3058
02:22:05,090 --> 02:22:02,340
yes I think that we've built some secret

3059
02:22:07,550 --> 02:22:05,100
craft I don't I think most UFOs that

3060
02:22:11,210 --> 02:22:07,560
people see are probably not human-made

3061
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:11,220
but I think some are and I think we've

3062
02:22:17,150 --> 02:22:13,680
developed some abilities there

3063
02:22:19,309 --> 02:22:17,160
and so and and also I suspect

3064
02:22:20,990 --> 02:22:19,319
that there could very well be some

3065
02:22:22,370 --> 02:22:21,000
radical technologies that are being

3066
02:22:25,969 --> 02:22:22,380
employed here

3067
02:22:28,969 --> 02:22:25,979
can't prove it but yes I think so so

3068
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:28,979
what does that say about Artemis

3069
02:22:35,510 --> 02:22:32,640
it's more Optics more PR why did our

3070
02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:35,520
moon mission stop early

3071
02:22:39,230 --> 02:22:36,960
they're going to do a couple of extra

3072
02:22:41,090 --> 02:22:39,240
Apollo missions and they didn't do them

3073
02:22:43,910 --> 02:22:41,100
what what the hell is going on with all

3074
02:22:46,730 --> 02:22:43,920
of this or or did they you know and see

3075
02:22:49,910 --> 02:22:46,740
you know was there an Apollo 18 19 20 21

3076
02:22:53,150 --> 02:22:49,920
22 25 30.

3077
02:22:55,130 --> 02:22:53,160
um I I don't know but what I find talk

3078
02:22:57,590 --> 02:22:55,140
about Optics right something that just

3079
02:23:01,670 --> 02:22:57,600
doesn't track right with me

3080
02:23:04,490 --> 02:23:01,680
is to suggest this was five years ago

3081
02:23:07,490 --> 02:23:04,500
this was from NASA at their own press

3082
02:23:11,389 --> 02:23:07,500
conference to have an engineer and an

3083
02:23:14,990 --> 02:23:11,399
astronaut say to the Press well you know

3084
02:23:17,750 --> 02:23:15,000
when we figure out uh the radiation and

3085
02:23:20,210 --> 02:23:17,760
how to get past the Van Allen belt when

3086
02:23:21,889 --> 02:23:20,220
we get that figured out then we'll have

3087
02:23:23,690 --> 02:23:21,899
a conversation about going back to the

3088
02:23:26,710 --> 02:23:23,700
Moon I was like wait wait wait wait wait

3089
02:23:31,070 --> 02:23:26,720
wait a minute guys you already did it

3090
02:23:33,950 --> 02:23:31,080
1969 right and and so that's where I'm

3091
02:23:37,490 --> 02:23:33,960
I'm talking about the the cover part to

3092
02:23:41,150 --> 02:23:37,500
this you know to suggest that

3093
02:23:46,969 --> 02:23:41,160
um we didn't ever leave low earth orbit

3094
02:23:50,270 --> 02:23:46,979
uh since 1974 1973 1972 and all we had

3095
02:23:53,210 --> 02:23:50,280
was uh Skylab remember Sky lab yeah yeah

3096
02:23:56,450 --> 02:23:53,220
and and the space shuttle and and that

3097
02:23:58,610 --> 02:23:56,460
was it and now the ISS I'm not I'm I

3098
02:24:00,410 --> 02:23:58,620
don't know man well yeah terms of manned

3099
02:24:02,330 --> 02:24:00,420
missions right so I mean because we've

3100
02:24:03,950 --> 02:24:02,340
sent probes we had the Clementine

3101
02:24:04,849 --> 02:24:03,960
mission in the 90s that went around the

3102
02:24:07,370 --> 02:24:04,859
moon and

3103
02:24:08,330 --> 02:24:07,380
we but but for having human beings out

3104
02:24:11,510 --> 02:24:08,340
there no

3105
02:24:15,950 --> 02:24:11,520
it's it's very odd they they are so

3106
02:24:18,590 --> 02:24:15,960
aware of a tremendous amount of activity

3107
02:24:21,170 --> 02:24:18,600
that is out of Earth orbit and Beyond

3108
02:24:23,450 --> 02:24:21,180
and you know many years ago uh and I

3109
02:24:25,610 --> 02:24:23,460
wrote about this uh I I chatted with a

3110
02:24:28,309 --> 02:24:25,620
woman named Simone Mendez

3111
02:24:31,969 --> 02:24:28,319
who was a former U.S Air Force Telecom

3112
02:24:34,250 --> 02:24:31,979
Telecom specialist she was at um Nellis

3113
02:24:35,690 --> 02:24:34,260
Air Force Base talking in the early 80s

3114
02:24:39,050 --> 02:24:35,700
and she

3115
02:24:41,510 --> 02:24:39,060
in uh the early 80s she's

3116
02:24:43,790 --> 02:24:41,520
a colleague of hers gave her a top

3117
02:24:45,469 --> 02:24:43,800
secret message that she was not

3118
02:24:47,150 --> 02:24:45,479
authorized to see and she got into a lot

3119
02:24:50,210 --> 02:24:47,160
of trouble for this but the message

3120
02:24:53,570 --> 02:24:50,220
stated that Norad North American air

3121
02:24:55,790 --> 02:24:53,580
defense had detected deep space objects

3122
02:24:56,990 --> 02:24:55,800
entering Earth's atmosphere that's what

3123
02:24:58,849 --> 02:24:57,000
it said

3124
02:25:03,170 --> 02:24:58,859
she they turned her life into a living

3125
02:25:04,070 --> 02:25:03,180
hell FBI Air Force they went after her

3126
02:25:06,650 --> 02:25:04,080
um

3127
02:25:10,190 --> 02:25:06,660
I have copies of the record she showed

3128
02:25:13,490 --> 02:25:10,200
me this is all the real deal and

3129
02:25:15,530 --> 02:25:13,500
and she was in serious trouble and um

3130
02:25:18,710 --> 02:25:15,540
she saw things that she shouldn't have

3131
02:25:20,630 --> 02:25:18,720
seen and that's what she saw nor ad

3132
02:25:22,790 --> 02:25:20,640
tracking objects coming in from deep

3133
02:25:25,610 --> 02:25:22,800
space artificial these are not like

3134
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:25,620
natural satellites and things like that

3135
02:25:30,410 --> 02:25:27,359
so I think that's just one example

3136
02:25:33,530 --> 02:25:30,420
there's many many of these things so

3137
02:25:36,349 --> 02:25:33,540
NASA knows NORAD knows military system

3138
02:25:40,730 --> 02:25:39,110
um probably probably Scott Bray and

3139
02:25:43,010 --> 02:25:40,740
Ronald Moultrie of the Pentagon don't

3140
02:25:44,750 --> 02:25:43,020
know yeah they're they're just they're

3141
02:25:46,790 --> 02:25:44,760
just guys doing their job I don't I

3142
02:25:48,770 --> 02:25:46,800
don't think they know these things but

3143
02:25:51,170 --> 02:25:48,780
the information's there so

3144
02:25:53,210 --> 02:25:51,180
we're we're in this game of I call it a

3145
02:25:55,070 --> 02:25:53,220
game of pretend you know where

3146
02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:55,080
we're going through these motions we're

3147
02:26:00,530 --> 02:25:57,840
waiting for the UAP report

3148
02:26:02,870 --> 02:26:00,540
and what will it really say what here's

3149
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:02,880
another question what can it possibly

3150
02:26:05,929 --> 02:26:03,840
say

3151
02:26:10,309 --> 02:26:05,939
as I asked myself this a lot like what

3152
02:26:12,410 --> 02:26:10,319
can the UAP report really say can it say

3153
02:26:16,070 --> 02:26:12,420
that there's aliens partly responsible

3154
02:26:19,550 --> 02:26:16,080
for UFOs you may be hell no it cannot

3155
02:26:21,349 --> 02:26:19,560
say that it will not ever say that

3156
02:26:24,050 --> 02:26:21,359
they're not going to say that

3157
02:26:25,790 --> 02:26:24,060
will they they're gonna

3158
02:26:27,349 --> 02:26:25,800
they're gonna do their dance for as long

3159
02:26:28,550 --> 02:26:27,359
as they can do this dance and that's a

3160
02:26:31,849 --> 02:26:28,560
long time

3161
02:26:34,910 --> 02:26:31,859
I um I went out to uh I hung out with

3162
02:26:37,010 --> 02:26:34,920
Avi Loeb a couple of months ago and uh

3163
02:26:38,570 --> 02:26:37,020
went out to dinner I was with him for a

3164
02:26:41,450 --> 02:26:38,580
couple of days it was it was just an

3165
02:26:44,210 --> 02:26:41,460
amazing uh uh experience but I was able

3166
02:26:45,950 --> 02:26:44,220
to and you know how I do this Richard

3167
02:26:48,710 --> 02:26:45,960
right if I'm gonna sit down with

3168
02:26:52,190 --> 02:26:48,720
somebody uh I'm gonna talk to them uh

3169
02:26:54,230 --> 02:26:52,200
for a few hours and and I'm gonna you

3170
02:26:58,370 --> 02:26:54,240
know get some things answered and and

3171
02:27:01,730 --> 02:26:58,380
Avi was absolutely amazing he was very

3172
02:27:04,010 --> 02:27:01,740
uh very forth with he he didn't hold

3173
02:27:06,110 --> 02:27:04,020
back and one of the things that he told

3174
02:27:09,230 --> 02:27:06,120
him that now this is the press release

3175
02:27:11,990 --> 02:27:09,240
just went out today on this but what he

3176
02:27:14,809 --> 02:27:12,000
had told me about was this other we know

3177
02:27:17,570 --> 02:27:14,819
about omumua but that there was this

3178
02:27:19,910 --> 02:27:17,580
other confirmed by the intelligence

3179
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:19,920
agencies another Interstellar object

3180
02:27:25,010 --> 02:27:22,800
entered Earth's atmosphere and crashed

3181
02:27:26,929 --> 02:27:25,020
into the Pacific Ocean out near

3182
02:27:30,110 --> 02:27:26,939
Australia Papua New Guinea or you know

3183
02:27:33,889 --> 02:27:30,120
some some island chain out there but

3184
02:27:36,590 --> 02:27:33,899
they had the location so he said he was

3185
02:27:38,090 --> 02:27:36,600
you know looking for funding uh the

3186
02:27:41,090 --> 02:27:38,100
needs to get a vessel together a

3187
02:27:45,250 --> 02:27:41,100
research vessel and go out there and in

3188
02:27:48,950 --> 02:27:45,260
fact I said so but but but Avi

3189
02:27:51,290 --> 02:27:48,960
if it's extraterrestrial I think that it

3190
02:27:52,929 --> 02:27:51,300
is I I I believe that it's kind of

3191
02:27:57,710 --> 02:27:52,939
information

3192
02:28:00,290 --> 02:27:57,720
the mission is is now a go he got the

3193
02:28:04,190 --> 02:28:00,300
funding that's it they're gonna go

3194
02:28:05,990 --> 02:28:04,200
um out uh um and find this thing and so

3195
02:28:07,610 --> 02:28:06,000
here's the thing well if he finds it

3196
02:28:11,150 --> 02:28:07,620
it's a natural object he's not going to

3197
02:28:13,370 --> 02:28:11,160
find an ET craft okay he is convinced

3198
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:13,380
it's extraterrestrial that it's not

3199
02:28:19,010 --> 02:28:16,080
natural and and I but this is what I

3200
02:28:21,230 --> 02:28:19,020
mean artificial uh artificial not

3201
02:28:23,150 --> 02:28:21,240
natural yeah artificial

3202
02:28:26,170 --> 02:28:23,160
um I said Avi and he thinks it's just

3203
02:28:30,290 --> 02:28:26,180
going to wait there for him yeah well he

3204
02:28:32,150 --> 02:28:30,300
he's convinced that it's metallic and

3205
02:28:35,450 --> 02:28:32,160
that they are going to be able to find

3206
02:28:37,610 --> 02:28:35,460
it because it's it's it's it's not it's

3207
02:28:40,610 --> 02:28:37,620
it's not made of rock

3208
02:28:42,770 --> 02:28:40,620
um he's no anyway I said if if it's

3209
02:28:46,670 --> 02:28:42,780
extraterrestrial are you going to be

3210
02:28:50,090 --> 02:28:46,680
able to talk about it I'm going public I

3211
02:28:53,630 --> 02:28:50,100
am convinced and if it it you know and

3212
02:28:55,070 --> 02:28:53,640
and there you go now is he losing it I

3213
02:28:56,090 --> 02:28:55,080
mean I I haven't talked with him you

3214
02:28:59,750 --> 02:28:56,100
you've talked with him but I'm really

3215
02:29:02,570 --> 02:28:59,760
wondering like this is a serious concern

3216
02:29:04,429 --> 02:29:02,580
of judgment from my opinion my

3217
02:29:06,830 --> 02:29:04,439
perspective why he's a Harvard

3218
02:29:09,710 --> 02:29:06,840
astronomer he's very you know highly

3219
02:29:12,410 --> 02:29:09,720
intelligent man but for him to think

3220
02:29:15,469 --> 02:29:12,420
I need to stop and Ponder this

3221
02:29:18,410 --> 02:29:15,479
this guy actually thinks that he's going

3222
02:29:20,690 --> 02:29:18,420
to track find

3223
02:29:22,490 --> 02:29:20,700
an extraterrestrial craft presumably

3224
02:29:24,410 --> 02:29:22,500
this is what he thinks that's just going

3225
02:29:29,690 --> 02:29:24,420
to be sitting there waiting for him yes

3226
02:29:31,130 --> 02:29:29,700
now he thinks that it is the size of a

3227
02:29:33,230 --> 02:29:31,140
beach ball

3228
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:33,240
that it's a probe

3229
02:29:37,969 --> 02:29:36,000
yep and I think really in the Pacific

3230
02:29:40,370 --> 02:29:37,979
Ocean yeah that's no problem to find

3231
02:29:43,010 --> 02:29:40,380
yeah we have no they know where it

3232
02:29:44,990 --> 02:29:43,020
entered uh the Water

3233
02:29:47,870 --> 02:29:45,000
um they have all of that this was

3234
02:29:49,849 --> 02:29:47,880
tracked they had the Speed it didn't

3235
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:49,859
burn up in Earth's atmosphere yeah I

3236
02:29:53,690 --> 02:29:51,840
know I know I know I know I'm laughing

3237
02:29:55,490 --> 02:29:53,700
because I just think

3238
02:29:57,110 --> 02:29:55,500
you know I mean everyone's got their own

3239
02:29:59,450 --> 02:29:57,120
learning curve with this subject I guess

3240
02:30:01,730 --> 02:29:59,460
and he's still on it

3241
02:30:04,730 --> 02:30:01,740
he's obviously still on a learning curve

3242
02:30:07,130 --> 02:30:04,740
okay there's a favor gave a story on

3243
02:30:09,230 --> 02:30:07,140
Rogan uh

3244
02:30:10,730 --> 02:30:09,240
a couple years ago you know after the

3245
02:30:12,770 --> 02:30:10,740
Tic Tac and all that came out and he's

3246
02:30:15,530 --> 02:30:12,780
talking with Rogan about a buddy of his

3247
02:30:16,910 --> 02:30:15,540
who was a helicopter pilot stationed in

3248
02:30:23,150 --> 02:30:16,920
Puerto Rico

3249
02:30:25,190 --> 02:30:23,160
and um a lot of US military out there of

3250
02:30:27,469 --> 02:30:25,200
course so

3251
02:30:28,610 --> 02:30:27,479
so I'm trying to remember the details I

3252
02:30:30,710 --> 02:30:28,620
wrote this down I've got the whole thing

3253
02:30:33,950 --> 02:30:30,720
but it basically

3254
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:33,960
they saw an object

3255
02:30:38,090 --> 02:30:36,000
was it come out of the water or go into

3256
02:30:39,590 --> 02:30:38,100
the water it was not it was not anything

3257
02:30:43,190 --> 02:30:39,600
that should have been there it was

3258
02:30:46,250 --> 02:30:43,200
highly unnatural unidentifiable but they

3259
02:30:49,550 --> 02:30:46,260
tried looking for it just disappeared

3260
02:30:51,410 --> 02:30:49,560
it just went down and you've got the uh

3261
02:30:52,730 --> 02:30:51,420
the Puerto Rico trench there which is

3262
02:30:55,309 --> 02:30:52,740
the

3263
02:30:57,429 --> 02:30:55,319
it's incredibly deep

3264
02:30:59,809 --> 02:30:57,439
and this thing just went down there you

3265
02:31:01,370 --> 02:30:59,819
they can't chase after it when it goes

3266
02:31:03,950 --> 02:31:01,380
down to these trenches

3267
02:31:06,710 --> 02:31:03,960
so I mean they are you know here's the

3268
02:31:09,889 --> 02:31:06,720
thing about UFOs this is a memo for Avi

3269
02:31:11,750 --> 02:31:09,899
Loeb they are intelligent maneuver they

3270
02:31:13,190 --> 02:31:11,760
maneuver intelligently

3271
02:31:14,330 --> 02:31:13,200
they're not just going to be sitting

3272
02:31:15,889 --> 02:31:14,340
around

3273
02:31:19,309 --> 02:31:15,899
waiting

3274
02:31:21,590 --> 02:31:19,319
for him to uh go and find them that's

3275
02:31:23,510 --> 02:31:21,600
not gonna happen uh now if it's a

3276
02:31:26,090 --> 02:31:23,520
natural if it's a you know some kind of

3277
02:31:28,250 --> 02:31:26,100
natural object well if it's metallic I

3278
02:31:32,090 --> 02:31:28,260
can't imagine now it's natural

3279
02:31:33,410 --> 02:31:32,100
you know coming in I well I mean he's

3280
02:31:35,330 --> 02:31:33,420
yeah

3281
02:31:38,990 --> 02:31:35,340
I think he's losing it a little bit I'm

3282
02:31:41,389 --> 02:31:39,000
just gonna say I don't I I I don't I I

3283
02:31:42,110 --> 02:31:41,399
that I don't feel let's use some logic

3284
02:31:46,190 --> 02:31:42,120
here

3285
02:31:49,309 --> 02:31:46,200
this is not a logical thing to pursue

3286
02:31:51,230 --> 02:31:49,319
um you have to for you have to listen to

3287
02:31:53,270 --> 02:31:51,240
him I mean it's a fun road trip or ocean

3288
02:31:55,250 --> 02:31:53,280
trip sure you know going out there hey

3289
02:32:06,370 --> 02:31:55,260
let's see if we can find it for him to

3290
02:32:11,510 --> 02:32:09,349
behave behave we're talking about you

3291
02:32:13,690 --> 02:32:11,520
know something uh uh coming from

3292
02:32:17,210 --> 02:32:13,700
Interstellar space that was monitored

3293
02:32:19,010 --> 02:32:17,220
and uh picked up on sensors uh traveling

3294
02:32:23,510 --> 02:32:19,020
at a couple hundred thousand miles per

3295
02:32:26,570 --> 02:32:23,520
hour uh uh came to or on Earth's

3296
02:32:30,290 --> 02:32:26,580
trajectory entered our atmosphere and

3297
02:32:32,210 --> 02:32:30,300
was tracked by intelligence agencies

3298
02:32:34,550 --> 02:32:32,220
um all the way through and he's got the

3299
02:32:37,910 --> 02:32:34,560
tracking data and he's he's looking

3300
02:32:40,130 --> 02:32:37,920
after this did it maneuver at all did it

3301
02:32:43,130 --> 02:32:40,140
come straight in like a plug go into the

3302
02:32:46,190 --> 02:32:43,140
ocean or did it down I think he's

3303
02:32:48,469 --> 02:32:46,200
convinced that the data shows him that

3304
02:32:52,010 --> 02:32:48,479
it was under intelligent control yes

3305
02:32:52,730 --> 02:32:52,020
okay yeah so um and he's not gonna find

3306
02:32:57,530 --> 02:32:52,740
it

3307
02:33:01,070 --> 02:32:57,540
you were saying about this is why I

3308
02:33:04,250 --> 02:33:01,080
brought it up uh the UFO UAP report that

3309
02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:04,260
that would never be in there right right

3310
02:33:11,090 --> 02:33:07,920
right in a way right so with with Avi

3311
02:33:12,469 --> 02:33:11,100
and this is what I I kept going back to

3312
02:33:15,410 --> 02:33:12,479
this point with him I'm talking about

3313
02:33:18,790 --> 02:33:15,420
face to face Richard Avi are they going

3314
02:33:21,710 --> 02:33:18,800
to let you go public with this I mean

3315
02:33:25,490 --> 02:33:21,720
let's just say it is extraterrestrial

3316
02:33:27,770 --> 02:33:25,500
this is a probe a right a Von Neumann

3317
02:33:29,990 --> 02:33:27,780
probe from Zeta reticuli

3318
02:33:31,849 --> 02:33:30,000
you are going to be able to go public

3319
02:33:34,309 --> 02:33:31,859
with this information he's convinced

3320
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:34,319
that he can well God bless him he's very

3321
02:33:39,650 --> 02:33:37,200
naive but that's not not unusual for the

3322
02:33:41,809 --> 02:33:39,660
academic Community frankly they live in

3323
02:33:43,429 --> 02:33:41,819
a different world and I think they uh

3324
02:33:45,670 --> 02:33:43,439
operate on some different assumptions

3325
02:33:48,889 --> 02:33:45,680
and I don't know how much

3326
02:33:50,809 --> 02:33:48,899
true deep experience he has studying the

3327
02:33:52,190 --> 02:33:50,819
secrecy and the shenanigans of the UFO

3328
02:33:54,530 --> 02:33:52,200
cover-up

3329
02:33:56,929 --> 02:33:54,540
so uh you know he can be forgiven for

3330
02:33:58,130 --> 02:33:56,939
for this but it is it seems strikes me

3331
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:58,140
as naive

3332
02:34:02,090 --> 02:34:00,720
he got the funding they're going let's

3333
02:34:04,849 --> 02:34:02,100
take a break when we come back Richard

3334
02:34:07,849 --> 02:34:04,859
can we talk Breakaway civilizations yes

3335
02:34:09,410 --> 02:34:07,859
we must let's let's do that make some

3336
02:34:11,210 --> 02:34:09,420
air guitar now yeah I'm getting ready

3337
02:34:14,090 --> 02:34:11,220
you know what pick one out which one do

3338
02:34:15,190 --> 02:34:14,100
you want me to play yeah you play Real

3339
02:34:17,510 --> 02:34:15,200
Guitar

3340
02:34:19,670 --> 02:34:17,520
we'll be right back after this I play

3341
02:34:22,730 --> 02:34:19,680
some good air guitar let me just say I I

3342
02:34:25,429 --> 02:34:22,740
play some good air hormones so you do

3343
02:34:26,990 --> 02:34:25,439
the air guitar I do air harmonica we'll

3344
02:34:29,270 --> 02:34:27,000
be right back after this short break

3345
02:34:41,110 --> 02:34:29,280
stay with us

3346
02:34:44,290 --> 02:34:43,010
thank you

3347
02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:44,300
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02:39:51,170 --> 02:39:49,550
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3445
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3446
02:39:56,090 --> 02:39:54,060
I guess tonight Richard Dolan and uh

3447
02:39:57,950 --> 02:39:56,100
Richard before we get to a breakaway

3448
02:40:00,770 --> 02:39:57,960
civilizations I just want to share this

3449
02:40:05,809 --> 02:40:00,780
with you it's uh uh just to check this

3450
02:40:08,330 --> 02:40:05,819
out this is the Harvard Crimson right uh

3451
02:40:10,429 --> 02:40:08,340
this is from today uh Harvard

3452
02:40:13,550 --> 02:40:10,439
astrophysics Avi Loeb set to explore

3453
02:40:17,150 --> 02:40:13,560
Pacific Ocean for potential alien meteor

3454
02:40:18,830 --> 02:40:17,160
fragments and uh there it is it goes on

3455
02:40:21,170 --> 02:40:18,840
he's got the funding and he's going to

3456
02:40:23,389 --> 02:40:21,180
Papua New Guinea and and so forth it's

3457
02:40:26,270 --> 02:40:23,399
very cool let's face it and Tracy

3458
02:40:28,010 --> 02:40:26,280
chastised me during the break yeah she

3459
02:40:31,190 --> 02:40:28,020
said look you were kind of hard on Avi

3460
02:40:33,530 --> 02:40:31,200
lobe Tracy's on my side you know what no

3461
02:40:36,230 --> 02:40:33,540
it's true I I was I was just having some

3462
02:40:38,389 --> 02:40:36,240
fun I think he's I think he's great he

3463
02:40:39,889 --> 02:40:38,399
he definitely is helping generate a lot

3464
02:40:42,530 --> 02:40:39,899
of interest in the field and he's Brave

3465
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:42,540
he's Brave he's out there in in the

3466
02:40:48,170 --> 02:40:45,359
academic world and he's he's he is

3467
02:40:50,330 --> 02:40:48,180
fighting the good fight so I I respect

3468
02:40:51,710 --> 02:40:50,340
him I was just having some fun yeah it

3469
02:40:53,389 --> 02:40:51,720
is a little naive though to think you're

3470
02:40:56,510 --> 02:40:53,399
going to find the alien craft okay well

3471
02:40:58,670 --> 02:40:56,520
this is what he says he says we should

3472
02:41:01,610 --> 02:40:58,680
be able to tell what the origin is

3473
02:41:04,610 --> 02:41:01,620
whether it's an artificial alloy for

3474
02:41:08,150 --> 02:41:04,620
example if it were a space graph of

3475
02:41:09,230 --> 02:41:08,160
another technological civilization and

3476
02:41:12,910 --> 02:41:09,240
then

3477
02:41:15,710 --> 02:41:12,920
um uh uh Martin Elvis a senior

3478
02:41:17,750 --> 02:41:15,720
astrophysicist at the center for

3479
02:41:20,690 --> 02:41:17,760
astrophysics pointed out the potential

3480
02:41:22,490 --> 02:41:20,700
challenges for Loeb and he says pinning

3481
02:41:25,130 --> 02:41:22,500
down the impact site blah blah blah blah

3482
02:41:28,070 --> 02:41:25,140
blah but then he goes on to say uh This

3483
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:28,080
Is Elvis He says look I thought this is

3484
02:41:35,570 --> 02:41:32,160
a good example of high risk High payoff

3485
02:41:38,030 --> 02:41:35,580
science everyone professes uh to like

3486
02:41:40,910 --> 02:41:38,040
such research but they rarely do it in

3487
02:41:42,710 --> 02:41:40,920
practice he said so that's the sort of

3488
02:41:45,590 --> 02:41:42,720
mission NASA would spend a billion

3489
02:41:47,929 --> 02:41:45,600
dollars on so I was happy that he's

3490
02:41:49,849 --> 02:41:47,939
taking the plunge you know what he's

3491
02:41:50,990 --> 02:41:49,859
swinging for this swinging for the seats

3492
02:41:56,090 --> 02:41:51,000
so

3493
02:41:57,650 --> 02:41:56,100
can you can you can make it uh who's the

3494
02:42:00,170 --> 02:41:57,660
man who discovered the city of Troy

3495
02:42:02,950 --> 02:42:00,180
schliemann no everyone thought it was

3496
02:42:08,809 --> 02:42:07,010
yeah you just did it so if avilo can do

3497
02:42:11,590 --> 02:42:08,819
that he would be I mean that would be an

3498
02:42:15,230 --> 02:42:11,600
amazing thing and so why not

3499
02:42:17,809 --> 02:42:15,240
man I you know I had the chance he goes

3500
02:42:20,450 --> 02:42:17,819
so Jimmy you know get your I swear the

3501
02:42:22,910 --> 02:42:20,460
Avi said this to me because get your

3502
02:42:25,730 --> 02:42:22,920
listeners together let's let's raise

3503
02:42:28,010 --> 02:42:25,740
some money and we'll call The Boat Fade

3504
02:42:30,650 --> 02:42:28,020
to Black and I was like dude you know it

3505
02:42:32,330 --> 02:42:30,660
was so funny this is well you know

3506
02:42:36,910 --> 02:42:32,340
that's almost as cool as like having

3507
02:42:41,870 --> 02:42:39,950
is even better so

3508
02:42:43,370 --> 02:42:41,880
um and it was just so funny and I just

3509
02:42:44,990 --> 02:42:43,380
kind of let it I just didn't think it

3510
02:42:47,090 --> 02:42:45,000
would would happen and here it is two

3511
02:42:49,370 --> 02:42:47,100
months later he got the funding some

3512
02:42:50,990 --> 02:42:49,380
wealthy donors probably

3513
02:42:52,790 --> 02:42:51,000
um actually you know what it's it'll

3514
02:42:55,309 --> 02:42:52,800
give us something to talk about and it

3515
02:42:57,590 --> 02:42:55,319
it could hey well let's see we'll wait

3516
02:43:01,270 --> 02:42:57,600
and see I don't think he's gonna find

3517
02:43:06,349 --> 02:43:01,280
anything I really don't but hey

3518
02:43:08,330 --> 02:43:06,359
high risk High reward right you know so

3519
02:43:12,349 --> 02:43:08,340
um I was going

3520
02:43:14,690 --> 02:43:12,359
um uh I was on uh Christina Gomez's show

3521
02:43:17,090 --> 02:43:14,700
uh last week

3522
02:43:19,910 --> 02:43:17,100
and one of the things we were talking

3523
02:43:24,349 --> 02:43:19,920
about you know missing persons and and I

3524
02:43:25,370 --> 02:43:24,359
went and and I I presented the numbers

3525
02:43:28,429 --> 02:43:25,380
um and we started talking about

3526
02:43:32,450 --> 02:43:28,439
Breakaway civilizations and and I said

3527
02:43:35,150 --> 02:43:32,460
you know most people don't realize if

3528
02:43:38,389 --> 02:43:35,160
you go and you just put a number in your

3529
02:43:40,429 --> 02:43:38,399
head how many people go missing around

3530
02:43:42,950 --> 02:43:40,439
the world each year what what's the

3531
02:43:45,410 --> 02:43:42,960
number right and then and then look at

3532
02:43:48,230 --> 02:43:45,420
the United States what number Pops in

3533
02:43:50,510 --> 02:43:48,240
your head you know ten thousand fifteen

3534
02:43:51,650 --> 02:43:50,520
thousand you know what's the number yeah

3535
02:43:55,190 --> 02:43:51,660
I don't know

3536
02:44:04,910 --> 02:43:59,510
000 in 2021. you serious 600 000. most

3537
02:44:10,790 --> 02:44:07,809
000. wow yeah yeah

3538
02:44:13,790 --> 02:44:10,800
you can look at the per state back you

3539
02:44:16,490 --> 02:44:13,800
know you can you got a map and you can

3540
02:44:19,429 --> 02:44:16,500
click on locations and are there um I'm

3541
02:44:21,110 --> 02:44:19,439
sure someone has studied the nature of

3542
02:44:23,270 --> 02:44:21,120
these disappearing I mean you know we've

3543
02:44:25,790 --> 02:44:23,280
we've got our David Pilates and thank

3544
02:44:28,849 --> 02:44:25,800
God we've got him he's awesome yep but

3545
02:44:31,969 --> 02:44:28,859
he he does the really mysterious cases

3546
02:44:34,429 --> 02:44:31,979
the really bizarre ones but what about

3547
02:44:37,309 --> 02:44:34,439
these I mean maybe they're all bizarre

3548
02:44:40,309 --> 02:44:37,319
right I mean if if someone disappears

3549
02:44:44,210 --> 02:44:40,319
that's bizarre it's it's uh and today

3550
02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:44,220
we're you know credit cards and ATM and

3551
02:44:49,610 --> 02:44:46,800
electronic it we live in an electron

3552
02:44:52,130 --> 02:44:49,620
it's hard to disappear how do you

3553
02:44:54,349 --> 02:44:52,140
disappear yourself today

3554
02:44:57,230 --> 02:44:54,359
it it would be a tough thing to do with

3555
02:45:00,110 --> 02:44:57,240
your driver's license and and Pat and

3556
02:45:02,770 --> 02:45:00,120
facial recognition and Biometrics and

3557
02:45:06,770 --> 02:45:02,780
there's nowhere to run

3558
02:45:11,809 --> 02:45:06,780
you know 1950 you got a pretty good shot

3559
02:45:14,750 --> 02:45:11,819
at it but uh in 2022 uh 600 000 people

3560
02:45:19,370 --> 02:45:14,760
so that's incredible I'm I'm astonished

3561
02:45:23,870 --> 02:45:19,380
when we look at uh I I love uh agenda

3562
02:45:26,030 --> 02:45:23,880
three and the ideas and and you oh wow

3563
02:45:28,490 --> 02:45:26,040
yeah right right and and you put

3564
02:45:31,730 --> 02:45:28,500
together a couple of words right

3565
02:45:34,130 --> 02:45:31,740
Breakaway civilization and and and put

3566
02:45:37,190 --> 02:45:34,140
that out there if we look at you know

3567
02:45:39,050 --> 02:45:37,200
the United States 600 000 people well

3568
02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:39,060
how many of them

3569
02:45:44,030 --> 02:45:41,520
were intellectuals

3570
02:45:46,610 --> 02:45:44,040
like you know what I mean scientists

3571
02:45:48,710 --> 02:45:46,620
astrophysicists do we know do we have a

3572
02:45:49,429 --> 02:45:48,720
sense of the demographics of this you

3573
02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:49,439
know

3574
02:45:54,290 --> 02:45:52,319
um that it's that would be very

3575
02:45:56,510 --> 02:45:54,300
interesting like you'd I mean if

3576
02:45:59,210 --> 02:45:56,520
anyone's gonna do a real dive into this

3577
02:46:00,710 --> 02:45:59,220
there's a lot of statistical analysis to

3578
02:46:02,750 --> 02:46:00,720
do there

3579
02:46:04,910 --> 02:46:02,760
be very interesting I wonder if anyone

3580
02:46:07,790 --> 02:46:04,920
has done some research on that

3581
02:46:10,030 --> 02:46:07,800
when when you first we've got Pilates

3582
02:46:11,990 --> 02:46:10,040
but you know yeah

3583
02:46:15,230 --> 02:46:12,000
sliver of that

3584
02:46:16,550 --> 02:46:15,240
when when he first put that idea out

3585
02:46:20,990 --> 02:46:16,560
there

3586
02:46:23,030 --> 02:46:21,000
um did you did you fear like uh you know

3587
02:46:25,130 --> 02:46:23,040
not I guess blowback's the right word

3588
02:46:28,790 --> 02:46:25,140
but like okay Richard now you're going

3589
02:46:32,510 --> 02:46:28,800
into crazy town but it it's it's really

3590
02:46:34,250 --> 02:46:32,520
that far far off of uh of an idea is it

3591
02:46:35,270 --> 02:46:34,260
no I think I think I still think it's a

3592
02:46:37,429 --> 02:46:35,280
good idea

3593
02:46:40,790 --> 02:46:37,439
um it's it's an idea it's not a proven

3594
02:46:42,950 --> 02:46:40,800
fact and I've always said that but it's

3595
02:46:45,349 --> 02:46:42,960
kind of you know keep in mind I I

3596
02:46:47,870 --> 02:46:45,359
developed that idea I was I was writing

3597
02:46:50,090 --> 02:46:47,880
my second volume of UFOs in the National

3598
02:46:53,150 --> 02:46:50,100
Security State and

3599
02:46:54,770 --> 02:46:53,160
um I had a copy of uh Arnold toynbee

3600
02:46:56,510 --> 02:46:54,780
great great historian Arnold twin B

3601
02:46:58,250 --> 02:46:56,520
wrote A Thing Called study of

3602
02:47:01,070 --> 02:46:58,260
civilization

3603
02:47:03,410 --> 02:47:01,080
I have a I have a condensed one volume

3604
02:47:05,570 --> 02:47:03,420
version of it I mean toyin B's version

3605
02:47:07,550 --> 02:47:05,580
is massive many volumes I haven't read

3606
02:47:09,590 --> 02:47:07,560
that but I had this one volume but I

3607
02:47:11,690 --> 02:47:09,600
remembered reading and telling me he was

3608
02:47:14,690 --> 02:47:11,700
he was like a Mozart of historians he

3609
02:47:16,490 --> 02:47:14,700
was a total genius and um he was what

3610
02:47:18,950 --> 02:47:16,500
you call a meta historian so he would

3611
02:47:20,090 --> 02:47:18,960
look at the big picture and look at the

3612
02:47:23,270 --> 02:47:20,100
Grand

3613
02:47:25,790 --> 02:47:23,280
like they look at civilizations and and

3614
02:47:28,070 --> 02:47:25,800
how that so I was in this headspace

3615
02:47:29,150 --> 02:47:28,080
of thinking about civilizations at that

3616
02:47:32,630 --> 02:47:29,160
time and

3617
02:47:34,070 --> 02:47:32,640
and I just honestly a lot of it was just

3618
02:47:35,270 --> 02:47:34,080
um thinking through the whole thing

3619
02:47:37,490 --> 02:47:35,280
logically

3620
02:47:39,950 --> 02:47:37,500
and realizing

3621
02:47:43,610 --> 02:47:39,960
like our world like from for the last

3622
02:47:45,889 --> 02:47:43,620
500 years we've had one long globalist

3623
02:47:48,950 --> 02:47:45,899
Trend I mean from the moment Columbus

3624
02:47:50,510 --> 02:47:48,960
set foot on the new world frankly uh I

3625
02:47:53,270 --> 02:47:50,520
think it was an inevitability that we

3626
02:47:56,090 --> 02:47:53,280
have this kind of closely tied world

3627
02:47:58,490 --> 02:47:56,100
where trade is very interdependent in

3628
02:48:01,010 --> 02:47:58,500
all of this so all of the the trends are

3629
02:48:03,950 --> 02:48:01,020
to integrate but but some Trends are not

3630
02:48:05,929 --> 02:48:03,960
to integrate so some trends go the other

3631
02:48:09,410 --> 02:48:05,939
way and when you I was thinking of the

3632
02:48:11,630 --> 02:48:09,420
Cold War so the the Soviet Union had

3633
02:48:12,950 --> 02:48:11,640
their own very secret scientific

3634
02:48:15,110 --> 02:48:12,960
infrastructure in fact they had their

3635
02:48:17,330 --> 02:48:15,120
own science they had some really bizarre

3636
02:48:20,630 --> 02:48:17,340
scientists um

3637
02:48:22,550 --> 02:48:20,640
a guy named lysenko who uh had some very

3638
02:48:25,190 --> 02:48:22,560
bizarre ideas about biology and

3639
02:48:27,530 --> 02:48:25,200
evolution and became Dogma it was

3640
02:48:29,510 --> 02:48:27,540
totally wrong so so the Soviets went

3641
02:48:30,950 --> 02:48:29,520
their own way and and the U.S went its

3642
02:48:33,110 --> 02:48:30,960
own way we had developed our own black

3643
02:48:36,230 --> 02:48:33,120
budget world and I just started to think

3644
02:48:37,550 --> 02:48:36,240
you know there's a such secrecy within

3645
02:48:42,170 --> 02:48:37,560
the

3646
02:48:43,790 --> 02:48:42,180
programs

3647
02:48:46,670 --> 02:48:43,800
and then you throw in something like

3648
02:48:48,530 --> 02:48:46,680
Roswell Tech or alien Tech and then ask

3649
02:48:50,510 --> 02:48:48,540
this is what I started doing I was

3650
02:48:53,389 --> 02:48:50,520
asking like what what actually would

3651
02:48:57,110 --> 02:48:53,399
happen if if you acquired

3652
02:48:59,090 --> 02:48:57,120
exotic Tech you've you've got to bring

3653
02:49:02,870 --> 02:48:59,100
you have to have massive amounts of

3654
02:49:05,929 --> 02:49:02,880
secrecy to study this you have to

3655
02:49:07,790 --> 02:49:05,939
um and you can't just let your your

3656
02:49:09,410 --> 02:49:07,800
breakthroughs of all your brilliant

3657
02:49:11,330 --> 02:49:09,420
scientists you can't just let all the

3658
02:49:12,230 --> 02:49:11,340
breakthroughs seep out to the rest of

3659
02:49:14,570 --> 02:49:12,240
the world

3660
02:49:17,170 --> 02:49:14,580
if if those breakthroughs are disruptive

3661
02:49:19,490 --> 02:49:17,180
if that breakthrough

3662
02:49:21,349 --> 02:49:19,500
damages your energy infrastructure and

3663
02:49:23,270 --> 02:49:21,359
your petroleum you know back in the

3664
02:49:25,010 --> 02:49:23,280
1950s and 60s it was like we have enough

3665
02:49:26,450 --> 02:49:25,020
petroleum the last centuries We're Not

3666
02:49:28,370 --> 02:49:26,460
Gonna We're not gonna need another

3667
02:49:30,170 --> 02:49:28,380
source of energy so let's just keep this

3668
02:49:31,070 --> 02:49:30,180
we'll monetize it we'll control the

3669
02:49:32,510 --> 02:49:31,080
world

3670
02:49:35,270 --> 02:49:32,520
and that was the plan of course this

3671
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:35,280
isn't 1960 we're not using 1960 levels

3672
02:49:39,290 --> 02:49:37,200
of consumption and it's a little

3673
02:49:40,670 --> 02:49:39,300
different but I think I think what

3674
02:49:42,170 --> 02:49:40,680
happened is that there were

3675
02:49:44,510 --> 02:49:42,180
breakthroughs that were made in the

3676
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:44,520
study of exotic technology and it was

3677
02:49:47,990 --> 02:49:46,319
determined that those breakthroughs

3678
02:49:49,670 --> 02:49:48,000
would not see the light of day and so

3679
02:49:51,650 --> 02:49:49,680
what that means then is you have a

3680
02:49:53,389 --> 02:49:51,660
scientific infrastructure that is

3681
02:49:57,050 --> 02:49:53,399
working on different Sciences working on

3682
02:49:59,510 --> 02:49:57,060
different knowledge and and is now

3683
02:50:02,990 --> 02:49:59,520
is becoming more separate it's breaking

3684
02:50:04,490 --> 02:50:03,000
away right right now does that mean it's

3685
02:50:05,630 --> 02:50:04,500
alternative three and they're living on

3686
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:05,640
Mars

3687
02:50:09,889 --> 02:50:08,399
not necessarily I mean it could but it

3688
02:50:12,710 --> 02:50:09,899
could also mean that your next door

3689
02:50:14,570 --> 02:50:12,720
neighbor goes to work punches the clock

3690
02:50:16,070 --> 02:50:14,580
goes into a classified program and then

3691
02:50:18,170 --> 02:50:16,080
goes into another classified program

3692
02:50:20,929 --> 02:50:18,180
nested and that and goes into another

3693
02:50:23,750 --> 02:50:20,939
one nested in that and it's and he's

3694
02:50:26,270 --> 02:50:23,760
dealing with some really bizarre bizarre

3695
02:50:28,490 --> 02:50:26,280
knowledge that would shatter our world

3696
02:50:30,770 --> 02:50:28,500
maybe that's it maybe that's the

3697
02:50:34,550 --> 02:50:30,780
Breakaway civilization it doesn't have

3698
02:50:36,110 --> 02:50:34,560
to be that they're you know under in an

3699
02:50:38,090 --> 02:50:36,120
underground base on the Moon I mean I

3700
02:50:42,309 --> 02:50:38,100
don't know where where they are I mean I

3701
02:50:45,230 --> 02:50:42,319
suspect that they are they are utilizing

3702
02:50:47,510 --> 02:50:45,240
uh some very advanced technology and and

3703
02:50:50,150 --> 02:50:47,520
also I suspect that they've developed

3704
02:50:51,889 --> 02:50:50,160
their own cosmology that's another thing

3705
02:50:54,469 --> 02:50:51,899
that separates the civilization and it's

3706
02:50:55,849 --> 02:50:54,479
like what you're what you think your

3707
02:50:57,710 --> 02:50:55,859
place in the world is what you think the

3708
02:50:59,630 --> 02:50:57,720
universe is they they may have very

3709
02:51:01,790 --> 02:50:59,640
different ideas about that

3710
02:51:04,309 --> 02:51:01,800
you know where they are

3711
02:51:05,750 --> 02:51:04,319
I can tell you I think some of them are

3712
02:51:14,410 --> 02:51:05,760
right here on this planet this is where

3713
02:51:20,570 --> 02:51:16,150
you know

3714
02:51:22,550 --> 02:51:20,580
here in Palmdale this is how twisted my

3715
02:51:26,830 --> 02:51:22,560
brain is are you in Palmdale yeah I'm in

3716
02:51:29,750 --> 02:51:26,840
Palmdale right now and uh go to Target

3717
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:29,760
right just go to Target

3718
02:51:34,910 --> 02:51:33,600
go to Costco go to Target and just look

3719
02:51:37,010 --> 02:51:34,920
around

3720
02:51:40,849 --> 02:51:37,020
you're looking at

3721
02:51:44,929 --> 02:51:40,859
people they the entire everybody there

3722
02:51:48,469 --> 02:51:44,939
that entire park everybody there

3723
02:51:52,309 --> 02:51:48,479
is under uh as a secret classified

3724
02:51:54,710 --> 02:51:52,319
clearance is working in a program and is

3725
02:51:57,530 --> 02:51:54,720
not talking about it but they'll shop

3726
02:51:59,990 --> 02:51:57,540
right they'll look at mixers right

3727
02:52:02,150 --> 02:52:00,000
they'll look at microwave ovens and

3728
02:52:03,950 --> 02:52:02,160
they're doing their thing and they're

3729
02:52:06,410 --> 02:52:03,960
going out to their car and they're going

3730
02:52:11,450 --> 02:52:06,420
well what do they do

3731
02:52:14,450 --> 02:52:11,460
this city right everybody here is

3732
02:52:16,010 --> 02:52:14,460
working over there there's nothing else

3733
02:52:17,750 --> 02:52:16,020
in Palmdale what are you what are you

3734
02:52:19,070 --> 02:52:17,760
doing in Palmdale there's nothing in

3735
02:52:22,370 --> 02:52:19,080
here you got the nice weather and some

3736
02:52:24,290 --> 02:52:22,380
nice restaurants if you know what it's

3737
02:52:28,370 --> 02:52:24,300
dude it's Stepford Wives

3738
02:52:32,090 --> 02:52:28,380
it's it's totally you know it is a but

3739
02:52:34,070 --> 02:52:32,100
scar thing so um the other day

3740
02:52:36,410 --> 02:52:34,080
um I was driving

3741
02:52:38,990 --> 02:52:36,420
and uh I had I had to go out on the

3742
02:52:41,330 --> 02:52:39,000
other side of town and and I'm dry and I

3743
02:52:44,269 --> 02:52:41,340
drive by you can see this on I'm not

3744
02:52:47,570 --> 02:52:44,279
this isn't secret information I'm

3745
02:52:48,790 --> 02:52:47,580
driving by the I forget what they called

3746
02:52:54,050 --> 02:52:48,800
it

3747
02:52:59,030 --> 02:52:54,060
the Antelope Valley uh Aviation

3748
02:53:01,010 --> 02:52:59,040
School something like that big dude big

3749
02:53:05,389 --> 02:53:01,020
big huge

3750
02:53:06,670 --> 02:53:05,399
now why would you have that

3751
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:06,680
here

3752
02:53:13,570 --> 02:53:09,600
right in the middle we don't even have

3753
02:53:17,450 --> 02:53:13,580
an airport right what do you mean this

3754
02:53:19,490 --> 02:53:17,460
ginormous right everything supports

3755
02:53:21,830 --> 02:53:19,500
what's going on here you go back through

3756
02:53:23,090 --> 02:53:21,840
the 1980s and 90s there was a researcher

3757
02:53:25,070 --> 02:53:23,100
Bill Hamilton

3758
02:53:28,490 --> 02:53:25,080
what if Bill's still alive

3759
02:53:29,389 --> 02:53:28,500
he uh he did amazing work back back in

3760
02:53:32,090 --> 02:53:29,399
those

3761
02:53:34,790 --> 02:53:32,100
days he was absolutely one of the very

3762
02:53:36,469 --> 02:53:34,800
best UFO researchers in the world and he

3763
02:53:38,929 --> 02:53:36,479
was focused on Antelope Valley and he

3764
02:53:41,630 --> 02:53:38,939
was looking at a lot of um

3765
02:53:44,690 --> 02:53:41,640
the strange craft that he was observing

3766
02:53:46,070 --> 02:53:44,700
he did a lot of Area 51 watching too but

3767
02:53:48,070 --> 02:53:46,080
he it's I think his main thing was

3768
02:53:51,410 --> 02:53:48,080
Antelope Valley

3769
02:53:53,929 --> 02:53:51,420
lots of advanced uh Aerospace so I'm

3770
02:53:56,630 --> 02:53:53,939
coming out of I I mentioned this on the

3771
02:53:59,150 --> 02:53:56,640
show a few weeks ago I'm coming out I'm

3772
02:54:00,170 --> 02:53:59,160
I'm at Best Buy right I'm coming out of

3773
02:54:03,650 --> 02:54:00,180
Best Buy

3774
02:54:06,950 --> 02:54:03,660
going up to uh my Jeep I'm opening up

3775
02:54:10,190 --> 02:54:06,960
and this voice from the back of me

3776
02:54:12,469 --> 02:54:10,200
goes Fade to Black right yeah but it's

3777
02:54:14,389 --> 02:54:12,479
like what and I turn around and just go

3778
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:14,399
hey man you know and I said what's going

3779
02:54:18,650 --> 02:54:16,560
on I you know I you know I heard you're

3780
02:54:21,170 --> 02:54:18,660
in Palm Bay I said yeah so we're

3781
02:54:24,349 --> 02:54:21,180
standing in the parking lot talking and

3782
02:54:27,230 --> 02:54:24,359
I'm gonna say he was mid 40s he also

3783
02:54:28,309 --> 02:54:27,240
drove a Jeep by the way he goes let me

3784
02:54:31,969 --> 02:54:28,319
tell you something

3785
02:54:34,550 --> 02:54:31,979
in the 90s and it stopped he said but

3786
02:54:39,250 --> 02:54:34,560
all through the 90s when I was in high

3787
02:54:41,929 --> 02:54:39,260
school we had and this is his words

3788
02:54:46,010 --> 02:54:41,939
octagon craft

3789
02:54:48,370 --> 02:54:46,020
test flying all the time dead silent I

3790
02:54:51,889 --> 02:54:48,380
said what do you mean he goes dude black

3791
02:54:54,050 --> 02:54:51,899
octagon like stop signs craft

3792
02:54:57,230 --> 02:54:54,060
and I go how big were they and it goes

3793
02:55:00,950 --> 02:54:57,240
from here to Best Buy I go

3794
02:55:02,990 --> 02:55:00,960
50 feet 70 feet he goes yeah yeah he

3795
02:55:04,730 --> 02:55:03,000
goes we all saw them or they're all

3796
02:55:07,910 --> 02:55:04,740
flying all over the place all the time

3797
02:55:09,950 --> 02:55:07,920
they don't do it anymore they stopped

3798
02:55:11,809 --> 02:55:09,960
now what I think they were getting a

3799
02:55:13,910 --> 02:55:11,819
little too much attention probably what

3800
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:13,920
an interesting thing to say what an

3801
02:55:19,610 --> 02:55:17,040
interesting description right of the

3802
02:55:21,050 --> 02:55:19,620
craft not triangle not round not oval

3803
02:55:23,389 --> 02:55:21,060
not this

3804
02:55:24,050 --> 02:55:23,399
octagon

3805
02:55:26,389 --> 02:55:24,060
um

3806
02:55:28,190 --> 02:55:26,399
yeah they did kind of stop it's I didn't

3807
02:55:30,769 --> 02:55:28,200
even think about that but it's true he

3808
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:30,779
they were going really hot and heavy in

3809
02:55:35,809 --> 02:55:33,359
the late 80s through a lot of the 90s

3810
02:55:38,450 --> 02:55:35,819
Hamilton was writing about this a lot I

3811
02:55:40,610 --> 02:55:38,460
mean I go back well not that anyone

3812
02:55:44,450 --> 02:55:40,620
cares it was for the mufon UFO Journal

3813
02:55:46,429 --> 02:55:44,460
circulation of probably 2 000 copies but

3814
02:55:48,889 --> 02:55:46,439
but he was writing about it the

3815
02:55:50,510 --> 02:55:48,899
information was getting out there and I

3816
02:55:52,309 --> 02:55:50,520
wonder if that was

3817
02:55:54,590 --> 02:55:52,319
I mean I don't know but I wonder if that

3818
02:55:55,610 --> 02:55:54,600
caused any people to think ah let's get

3819
02:55:56,870 --> 02:55:55,620
the hell out of here we'll go somewhere

3820
02:55:58,730 --> 02:55:56,880
else we'll get a dugway or we'll go

3821
02:56:01,010 --> 02:55:58,740
somewhere else where there are well you

3822
02:56:03,950 --> 02:56:01,020
know asking to be people yeah well like

3823
02:56:06,530 --> 02:56:03,960
the B-21 you know uh December second the

3824
02:56:08,330 --> 02:56:06,540
reveal in the press release and you can

3825
02:56:10,730 --> 02:56:08,340
read this you can go and read this

3826
02:56:12,290 --> 02:56:10,740
yourself uh this is for the press this

3827
02:56:13,910 --> 02:56:12,300
is the big unveiling you remember how

3828
02:56:15,710 --> 02:56:13,920
they opened up the hanger and they

3829
02:56:16,969 --> 02:56:15,720
rolled it out right it's gonna be like

3830
02:56:19,429 --> 02:56:16,979
that

3831
02:56:23,510 --> 02:56:19,439
um but in the press release they said uh

3832
02:56:26,990 --> 02:56:23,520
they will fly the six uh b-21s are gonna

3833
02:56:30,530 --> 02:56:27,000
fly from Palmdale from Northrop Grumman

3834
02:56:32,809 --> 02:56:30,540
uh to Edwards for flight testing now

3835
02:56:35,630 --> 02:56:32,819
Edwards is

3836
02:56:38,269 --> 02:56:35,640
eight miles away you know it's just it's

3837
02:56:40,070 --> 02:56:38,279
up up the Road a Piece

3838
02:56:41,389 --> 02:56:40,080
um if you look at our Google Maps it

3839
02:56:44,150 --> 02:56:41,399
looks like they're right next to each

3840
02:56:46,790 --> 02:56:44,160
other but this is what I see I'm not

3841
02:56:49,070 --> 02:56:46,800
going to say anything specific but uh

3842
02:56:51,290 --> 02:56:49,080
I've had many people over my house to

3843
02:56:54,170 --> 02:56:51,300
watch this it's crazy I watch these

3844
02:56:56,929 --> 02:56:54,180
transport planes take off they fly over

3845
02:57:00,170 --> 02:56:56,939
my house they take they don't get up in

3846
02:57:03,769 --> 02:57:00,180
the air they just take a turn a U-turn

3847
02:57:05,809 --> 02:57:03,779
and land at Edwards all day long now

3848
02:57:07,969 --> 02:57:05,819
what's what's what time those what what

3849
02:57:10,730 --> 02:57:07,979
what is the flight testing goes on up

3850
02:57:14,929 --> 02:57:10,740
there at Edwards right yeah so they're

3851
02:57:17,690 --> 02:57:14,939
loading something right these transports

3852
02:57:19,670 --> 02:57:17,700
they make the U-turn and land they don't

3853
02:57:22,490 --> 02:57:19,680
they don't even get a quarter mile in

3854
02:57:24,650 --> 02:57:22,500
the air they barely you know get get

3855
02:57:26,389 --> 02:57:24,660
airborne and they just turn around and

3856
02:57:28,610 --> 02:57:26,399
land turn around and land and turn

3857
02:57:30,469 --> 02:57:28,620
around and laugh what are they doing I

3858
02:57:32,450 --> 02:57:30,479
don't know you know they're moving

3859
02:57:33,889 --> 02:57:32,460
something out are they reassembling you

3860
02:57:35,750 --> 02:57:33,899
know are they taking something off of

3861
02:57:38,150 --> 02:57:35,760
these and reassembling and then flying

3862
02:57:40,670 --> 02:57:38,160
them I don't know

3863
02:57:42,950 --> 02:57:40,680
um but uh it's it's it's an interesting

3864
02:57:46,389 --> 02:57:42,960
thing you know especially for somebody

3865
02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:46,399
like me or yourself to just sit here

3866
02:57:52,010 --> 02:57:49,200
Richard you get yourself a little drink

3867
02:57:54,590 --> 02:57:52,020
with a little umbrella you sit you know

3868
02:57:57,590 --> 02:57:54,600
what I mean you just sit in my backyard

3869
02:57:59,630 --> 02:57:57,600
and watch it part of a long tradition of

3870
02:58:01,190 --> 02:57:59,640
UFO Watchers you know what's the crazy

3871
02:58:04,269 --> 02:58:01,200
thing about this field I realize we're

3872
02:58:06,969 --> 02:58:04,279
running low on time when you study UFOs

3873
02:58:11,389 --> 02:58:06,979
there are so many

3874
02:58:13,190 --> 02:58:11,399
aspects of this incredible subject now

3875
02:58:14,690 --> 02:58:13,200
you're talking about aircraft and

3876
02:58:16,730 --> 02:58:14,700
Aviation

3877
02:58:18,530 --> 02:58:16,740
there's there's that

3878
02:58:19,429 --> 02:58:18,540
there's the alien beings themselves we

3879
02:58:21,590 --> 02:58:19,439
haven't even talked about them

3880
02:58:23,510 --> 02:58:21,600
abductions

3881
02:58:24,590 --> 02:58:23,520
there's the political aspects of a

3882
02:58:27,290 --> 02:58:24,600
cover-up

3883
02:58:28,670 --> 02:58:27,300
there's uh the money involved you just

3884
02:58:30,530 --> 02:58:28,680
mentioned Breakaway civilization a

3885
02:58:32,870 --> 02:58:30,540
little while ago there's all of these

3886
02:58:35,389 --> 02:58:32,880
there's the Consciousness part of this

3887
02:58:38,210 --> 02:58:35,399
subject there's I mean it and then

3888
02:58:40,429 --> 02:58:38,220
there's like the massive amount of case

3889
02:58:43,250 --> 02:58:40,439
history you can spend your entire life

3890
02:58:44,750 --> 02:58:43,260
just studying case after case after case

3891
02:58:46,849 --> 02:58:44,760
and um

3892
02:58:48,290 --> 02:58:46,859
it is a challenge for me to stay up on

3893
02:58:49,730 --> 02:58:48,300
all of those different areas like I'm

3894
02:58:52,090 --> 02:58:49,740
always feeling like I'm falling behind

3895
02:58:55,969 --> 02:58:52,100
on one or another aspect of this

3896
02:58:59,690 --> 02:58:55,979
unbelievably Rich subject it is

3897
02:59:01,370 --> 02:58:59,700
it's Way Beyond anything that I had the

3898
02:59:03,290 --> 02:59:01,380
slightest idea about when I started

3899
02:59:05,170 --> 02:59:03,300
researching this uh

3900
02:59:09,830 --> 02:59:05,180
almost 30 years ago

3901
02:59:11,690 --> 02:59:09,840
does it no idea yeah does it feel now

3902
02:59:15,050 --> 02:59:11,700
um that you've you know you've you've

3903
02:59:19,190 --> 02:59:15,060
been in it for so long now does it feel

3904
02:59:22,969 --> 02:59:19,200
more complicated uh than you thought or

3905
02:59:26,510 --> 02:59:22,979
do you think you have a basic uh uh grip

3906
02:59:27,650 --> 02:59:26,520
on things uh that's a power no one's

3907
02:59:30,050 --> 02:59:27,660
ever asked me that question I've never

3908
02:59:32,330 --> 02:59:30,060
even asked it of myself I would say two

3909
02:59:34,969 --> 02:59:32,340
things one I met at a point in my life

3910
02:59:36,650 --> 02:59:34,979
where

3911
02:59:38,690 --> 02:59:36,660
um

3912
02:59:41,269 --> 02:59:38,700
just turned 60.

3913
02:59:44,630 --> 02:59:41,279
and and I've I've gotten to a point

3914
02:59:47,090 --> 02:59:44,640
where I feel as though philosophically

3915
02:59:48,230 --> 02:59:47,100
and in terms of what I've learned about

3916
02:59:50,690 --> 02:59:48,240
life

3917
02:59:52,370 --> 02:59:50,700
that I I feel razor sharp you want to

3918
02:59:54,950 --> 02:59:52,380
know the truth I feel like I see things

3919
02:59:56,150 --> 02:59:54,960
very clearly

3920
02:59:57,889 --> 02:59:56,160
um that doesn't mean I know everything

3921
02:59:59,750 --> 02:59:57,899
it just means that I think my

3922
03:00:00,950 --> 02:59:59,760
perceptions are are better than they've

3923
03:00:04,610 --> 03:00:00,960
ever been

3924
03:00:07,969 --> 03:00:04,620
but the field itself is so much more

3925
03:00:09,590 --> 03:00:07,979
complicated than I ever had an idea and

3926
03:00:13,070 --> 03:00:09,600
and I keep seeing it's incredibly

3927
03:00:14,330 --> 03:00:13,080
complex and it it still challenges me

3928
03:00:18,590 --> 03:00:14,340
all the time

3929
03:00:20,030 --> 03:00:18,600
where

3930
03:00:22,250 --> 03:00:20,040
um that you're making right now because

3931
03:00:27,070 --> 03:00:22,260
when we you know going back to Wilson

3932
03:00:30,110 --> 03:00:27,080
Davis those are things that we

3933
03:00:32,929 --> 03:00:30,120
fantasized about right maybe thought

3934
03:00:35,450 --> 03:00:32,939
that they were possible that this could

3935
03:00:38,150 --> 03:00:35,460
be going on and then you get that kind

3936
03:00:43,150 --> 03:00:38,160
of confirmation then it does tell you

3937
03:00:48,650 --> 03:00:43,160
how incredibly complicated this is where

3938
03:00:50,269 --> 03:00:48,660
those like a J2 right doesn't have a

3939
03:00:52,610 --> 03:00:50,279
need to know yeah a couple of years ago

3940
03:00:54,290 --> 03:00:52,620
I think Tom DeLonge did a tweet

3941
03:00:56,870 --> 03:00:54,300
um I don't have it but I remembered when

3942
03:00:58,910 --> 03:00:56,880
he did it and he said something like

3943
03:01:01,130 --> 03:00:58,920
look if you want if you want disclosure

3944
03:01:02,809 --> 03:01:01,140
we need like a legal Revolution and he

3945
03:01:05,090 --> 03:01:02,819
said something to the effect of we've

3946
03:01:08,750 --> 03:01:05,100
got to do some serious changing of laws

3947
03:01:12,290 --> 03:01:08,760
and I think this was this was before the

3948
03:01:14,090 --> 03:01:12,300
Wilson Davis notes came out

3949
03:01:17,269 --> 03:01:14,100
but I mean all of those guys knew about

3950
03:01:19,070 --> 03:01:17,279
that stuff you know everyone in ttsa

3951
03:01:20,330 --> 03:01:19,080
everyone connected they they all knew

3952
03:01:23,030 --> 03:01:20,340
that about

3953
03:01:24,950 --> 03:01:23,040
that whole scenario

3954
03:01:27,050 --> 03:01:24,960
but I think he was kind of referring to

3955
03:01:29,150 --> 03:01:27,060
that maybe that specifically

3956
03:01:31,670 --> 03:01:29,160
probably that specifically but

3957
03:01:35,330 --> 03:01:31,680
definitely that whole concept of just

3958
03:01:37,550 --> 03:01:35,340
this deep deep layer levels of

3959
03:01:39,710 --> 03:01:37,560
of secrecy I mean it's so deep that you

3960
03:01:41,690 --> 03:01:39,720
really have to argue it's Criminal yeah

3961
03:01:44,210 --> 03:01:41,700
totally how do you say it's it's legal

3962
03:01:47,929 --> 03:01:44,220
and legitimate I mean if we go Richard

3963
03:01:51,650 --> 03:01:47,939
if we go back to uh Independence Day the

3964
03:01:54,110 --> 03:01:51,660
movie and that scene right

3965
03:01:57,530 --> 03:01:54,120
um uh where no there's no secret base

3966
03:02:01,690 --> 03:01:57,540
for the alien well sir you know that's

3967
03:02:04,670 --> 03:02:01,700
not entirely accurate right now how how

3968
03:02:06,469 --> 03:02:04,680
true that turned out to be you know a

3969
03:02:09,410 --> 03:02:06,479
scripted movie

3970
03:02:11,330 --> 03:02:09,420
um and it that may exactly be the case

3971
03:02:14,570 --> 03:02:11,340
it's what was spelled out in the Wilson

3972
03:02:15,889 --> 03:02:14,580
Davis document well present presidents I

3973
03:02:17,330 --> 03:02:15,899
mean look

3974
03:02:20,389 --> 03:02:17,340
it doesn't even have to be the current

3975
03:02:22,309 --> 03:02:20,399
president who clearly doesn't this is

3976
03:02:23,870 --> 03:02:22,319
the Weekend at Bernie's presidency it's

3977
03:02:25,849 --> 03:02:23,880
like you know just roll them out pretend

3978
03:02:27,410 --> 03:02:25,859
he's not dead you can't really tell him

3979
03:02:29,450 --> 03:02:27,420
much but that's the case with most of

3980
03:02:30,469 --> 03:02:29,460
these presidents like they can't I don't

3981
03:02:32,150 --> 03:02:30,479
think they're

3982
03:02:33,230 --> 03:02:32,160
they've got to like they're going to be

3983
03:02:34,490 --> 03:02:33,240
in front of the cameras they got to

3984
03:02:35,630 --> 03:02:34,500
shake the hands of the dignitaries

3985
03:02:38,330 --> 03:02:35,640
they're going to read the teleprompter

3986
03:02:41,510 --> 03:02:38,340
like they they it is not physically

3987
03:02:45,230 --> 03:02:41,520
possible I'm sure for any U.S president

3988
03:02:48,530 --> 03:02:45,240
to be on top of all of this

3989
03:02:50,990 --> 03:02:48,540
this whole thing I don't think so

3990
03:02:53,330 --> 03:02:51,000
I don't think so Richard you're the very

3991
03:02:55,790 --> 03:02:53,340
best and I promise uh I'll call you

3992
03:02:58,550 --> 03:02:55,800
tomorrow oh yeah just hit me up we'll

3993
03:03:01,190 --> 03:02:58,560
have this conversation uh the absolute

3994
03:03:03,230 --> 03:03:01,200
best we didn't know what we were going

3995
03:03:05,450 --> 03:03:03,240
to talk about but no we didn't and and

3996
03:03:07,070 --> 03:03:05,460
we got to some of it we we got to some

3997
03:03:09,230 --> 03:03:07,080
of it but this was great this is another

3998
03:03:10,730 --> 03:03:09,240
perfect night in the show uh give my

3999
03:03:12,410 --> 03:03:10,740
best to Tracy I'll give you a call in

4000
03:03:14,570 --> 03:03:12,420
the morning thank you so much Richard

4001
03:03:17,269 --> 03:03:14,580
Dolan members hey I want to give a shout

4002
03:03:19,130 --> 03:03:17,279
out to the fader knots always you're the

4003
03:03:21,650 --> 03:03:19,140
best any of my people out there too of

4004
03:03:24,170 --> 03:03:21,660
course Richard thank you so much my

4005
03:03:25,550 --> 03:03:24,180
friend and uh another perfect night I

4006
03:03:26,690 --> 03:03:25,560
gotta roll out of here I gotta get

4007
03:03:29,630 --> 03:03:26,700
straight to the credits thank you

4008
03:03:31,910 --> 03:03:29,640
Richard thank you uh to Tracy of course

4009
03:03:32,960 --> 03:03:31,920
too as well thank you so much this is

4010
03:03:34,550 --> 03:03:32,970
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